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#Some Ashkenazic poskim consider a veset 24 hours, the time period when she expects to see blood and also the time period beforehand.<ref>Rav Moshe Feinstein (Igrot Moshe 3:48) is strict for the Or Zaruah. Badei Hashulchan 189:7 is strict for the Or Zaruah.</ref> Others are lenient.<ref>Rav Hershel Schachter (notes to The Laws and Concepts of Niddah by Rabbi Zvi Sobolofsky pg. 308), [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/867643/Rabbi%20Mordechai%20I.%20Willig/Niddah%20Shiur%2045%20-%20Timing%20of%20Avi'asaf,%20Veset%20Or%20Zaruah Rabbi Mordechai Willig (Niddah shiur 45 min 35-41)] holds that we can be lenient against the Or Zaruah since that is the opinion of the Shulchan Aruch, Rama, Taz 184:2, and Chavot Daat (quoted in Pitchei Teshuva 184:7). Also, even the Shach 184:7, who is concerned for the Or Zaruah holds that it only applies if she has a fixed veset but since most women don't have that we can be lenient. Taharat Habayit v. 1 pp. 55-58 holds that Sephardim should follow Shulchan Aruch and don't need to follow the Or Zaruah unlike the Ben Ish Chai (Tzav no. 1). Shoshanat Ha'amakim 7:7 agrees</ref> | #Some Ashkenazic poskim consider a veset 24 hours, the time period when she expects to see blood and also the time period beforehand.<ref>Rav Moshe Feinstein (Igrot Moshe 3:48) is strict for the Or Zaruah. Badei Hashulchan 189:7 is strict for the Or Zaruah.</ref> Others are lenient.<ref>Rav Hershel Schachter (notes to The Laws and Concepts of Niddah by Rabbi Zvi Sobolofsky pg. 308), [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/867643/Rabbi%20Mordechai%20I.%20Willig/Niddah%20Shiur%2045%20-%20Timing%20of%20Avi'asaf,%20Veset%20Or%20Zaruah Rabbi Mordechai Willig (Niddah shiur 45 min 35-41)] holds that we can be lenient against the Or Zaruah since that is the opinion of the Shulchan Aruch, Rama, Taz 184:2, and Chavot Daat (quoted in Pitchei Teshuva 184:7). Also, even the Shach 184:7, who is concerned for the Or Zaruah holds that it only applies if she has a fixed veset but since most women don't have that we can be lenient.</ref> Sephardim are lenient.<ref> Taharat Habayit v. 1 pp. 55-58 holds that Sephardim should follow Shulchan Aruch and don't need to follow the Or Zaruah unlike the Ben Ish Chai (Tzav no. 1). Shoshanat Ha'amakim 7:7 agrees. Moroccans are also lenient (Magen Avot YD p. 128).</ref> | ||
#If a woman sees for several days we still calculate the veset based on the initial seeing of blood. <ref>*The Raavad (Baalei Hanefesh cited by Bet Yosef 184:5) writes that if a woman always sees blood at night and a bit into the day her veset is established as that night as well as the time that it would extend into the day. The Bet Yosef 184:5 writes that there three opinions about this case whether only the night is established, or both the night and the day, or the night and the hour in the day during which she always sees. Shulchan Aruch 184:5 follows the Raavad. | #If a woman sees for several days we still calculate the veset based on the initial seeing of blood.<ref> | ||
*The Raavad (Baalei Hanefesh cited by Bet Yosef 184:5) writes that if a woman always sees blood at night and a bit into the day her veset is established as that night as well as the time that it would extend into the day. The Bet Yosef 184:5 writes that there three opinions about this case whether only the night is established, or both the night and the day, or the night and the hour in the day during which she always sees. Shulchan Aruch 184:5 follows the Raavad. | |||
*The Raavad (Baalei Hanefesh cited by Bet Yosef 184:6) writes that if a women sees for a few days we look at the entirety of the time she would see as a veset. However, the Rosh (Niddah 9:3) argues that only the time when she initially sees is established as a veset. Shulchan Aruch 184:6 follows the Rosh. The Derisha 184:5 clarifies that the difference between the cases is if she sees for a short period of time it is considered part of the original veset, however, if she sees for several days they aren't included in the original veset and the veset is exclusively established by the original seeing. The Taz 184:9 agrees with the Derisha. Taharat Habayit v. 1 p. 68 follows Shulchan Aruch. | *The Raavad (Baalei Hanefesh cited by Bet Yosef 184:6) writes that if a women sees for a few days we look at the entirety of the time she would see as a veset. However, the Rosh (Niddah 9:3) argues that only the time when she initially sees is established as a veset. Shulchan Aruch 184:6 follows the Rosh. The Derisha 184:5 clarifies that the difference between the cases is if she sees for a short period of time it is considered part of the original veset, however, if she sees for several days they aren't included in the original veset and the veset is exclusively established by the original seeing. The Taz 184:9 agrees with the Derisha. Taharat Habayit v. 1 p. 68 follows Shulchan Aruch. | ||
*The Chavot Daat 184:7 writes that if she stopped seeing for some time and then continues to see then the next day is also considered for the veset. The Pardes Rimonim (184 Shach 16) and Taharat Habayit v. 1 p. 69 disagree.</ref> | *The Chavot Daat 184:7 writes that if she stopped seeing for some time and then continues to see then the next day is also considered for the veset. The Pardes Rimonim (184 Shach 16) and Taharat Habayit v. 1 p. 69 disagree.</ref> | ||
