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# A haflagah veset is only established if all 4 periods were at night or all were during the day.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 189:13</ref> | # A haflagah veset is only established if all 4 periods were at night or all were during the day.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 189:13</ref> | ||
===Uncommon Vestot=== | ===Uncommon Vestot=== | ||
====Physical Activity Causing a Period==== | |||
# A woman who jumps and sees her period each certain number of days after 3 times she establishes a veset for seeing on that day of the interval only when she jumps.<ref>The Gemara 11a quotes a Briatta that states that a veset can't be established based on an unexpected event such as jumping, however, a veset which is a combination of both jumping and days can be established. The Tosfot 11a s.v. elah and Rashba ([http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=8922&st=&pgnum=363 Torat Habayit 13a]) maintain that it is impossible to create a veset for jumping alone. However, the Baal Hameor (cited by the Rashba) and Tur 189:17 argue that the gemara was only offering an explanation of the Briatta but Rav Huna held that jumping alone establishes a veset. Shulchan Aruch 189:17 follows the opinion of the Tosfot.</ref> The period is established after 3 times and before then she is concerned for her regular veset of interval and day of the month.<ref>Shach 189:48, Pri Deah (Siftei Levi 189:48)</ref> The same can be established for a day of the month and jumping.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 189:18</ref> | |||
# If she has an established veset of a combination of jumping and an interval or days of the month she is permitted until the time in the day when she jumps.<ref>Chavot Daat 189:25</ref> | |||
====Indicators of a Period==== | |||
# A veset can be created based on physical signs of the body such as streching, yawning, burping, flatulating, sneezing, having an ache in one's stomach area, or fever.<Ref>Mishna Niddah 63a, Shulchan Aruch YD 189:19</ref> | |||
====Increasing Days of the Month==== | ====Increasing Days of the Month==== | ||
# A woman doesn't need to be concerned of a increasing veset before it is established.<ref>Raavad ([http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=8785&st=&pgnum=47 Baalei Hanefesh p. 49]), Rashba ([http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=8922&st=&pgnum=366 Torat Habayit 14b]), Shulchan Aruch 189:11</ref> | |||
# If a woman sees on consecutive days of the month in consecutive months she can establish a veset. Some hold that this is established with 3 periods and others hold it is established with 4 periods. We're strict for both opinions. For example, if she sees in one month on the 15th, the next month on the 16th, the next month on the 17th, and the last month on the 18th according to everyone she establishes a veset that she'll continue to see on consecutive days of the month. However, if she only saw on the 15th through the 18th then she considers it as though she this is an established veset but she is also concerned as though she doesn't have a veset.<ref>There is a dispute in Gemara Niddah 64a between Rav and Shmuel whether the veset of consecutive days of the month is established with 3 periods or only 4 since she needs to establish herself as progressing one day each month. The Rabbenu Chananel (cited by Rosh Niddah 9:3) holds like Rav and the Rambam (Issurei Biyah 8:6) like Shmuel. Rashba ([http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=8922&st=&pgnum=366 Torat Habayit 14b]) concludes that we should be strict for both opinions. This is also the opinion of Shulchan Aruch YD 189:7.</ref> | # If a woman sees on consecutive days of the month in consecutive months she can establish a veset. Some hold that this is established with 3 periods and others hold it is established with 4 periods. We're strict for both opinions. For example, if she sees in one month on the 15th, the next month on the 16th, the next month on the 17th, and the last month on the 18th according to everyone she establishes a veset that she'll continue to see on consecutive days of the month. However, if she only saw on the 15th through the 18th then she considers it as though she this is an established veset but she is also concerned as though she doesn't have a veset.<ref>There is a dispute in Gemara Niddah 64a between Rav and Shmuel whether the veset of consecutive days of the month is established with 3 periods or only 4 since she needs to establish herself as progressing one day each month. The Rabbenu Chananel (cited by Rosh Niddah 9:3) holds like Rav and the Rambam (Issurei Biyah 8:6) like Shmuel. Rashba ([http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=8922&st=&pgnum=366 Torat Habayit 14b]) concludes that we should be strict for both opinions. This is also the opinion of Shulchan Aruch YD 189:7.</ref> | ||
# Consistently seeing on an earlier day of the month establishes a veset just like seeing consecutively later days.<Ref>Badei Hashulchan 189:58</ref> | # Consistently seeing on an earlier day of the month establishes a veset just like seeing consecutively later days.<Ref>Badei Hashulchan 189:58</ref> | ||
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# A decreasing veset is established just like an increasing veset.<ref> Shach 189:9 and Shach 189:68. See Tosfot Niddah 9b s.v. pichta. Sidrei Tahara 189:3 supports the Shach from the Raavad 3:6. The Peleti 189:6 accepts the Raavad's opinion but wonders how it is rationale since eventually the veset should run to the point that she won't see anymore and isn't a natural progression.</ref> | # A decreasing veset is established just like an increasing veset.<ref> Shach 189:9 and Shach 189:68. See Tosfot Niddah 9b s.v. pichta. Sidrei Tahara 189:3 supports the Shach from the Raavad 3:6. The Peleti 189:6 accepts the Raavad's opinion but wonders how it is rationale since eventually the veset should run to the point that she won't see anymore and isn't a natural progression.</ref> | ||
====Veset for Hours==== | ====Veset for Hours==== | ||
# If a woman | # If a woman establishes three times that she always starts seeing her period a certain hour of the day but doesn't establish any day for her veset (either by intervals or by of the month), then she is concerned about her regular non-kavuah vestot only for that hour.<ref>The Raavad ([http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=8785&st=&pgnum=30 Baalei Hanefesh p. 32]) writes that if a woman has a veset only for a specific hour during the day and not for days that can establish a veset for that hour. Shulchan Aruch 189:3 codifies the opinion of the Raavad. Chavot Daat 189:4 explains that if she doesn’t have a veset for days and does have an established hour, she only needs to keep her non-kavuah vestot during that hour that she has a veset for.</ref> | ||
==Bedika during Veset== | ==Bedika during Veset== | ||
