16,374
edits
Veset: Difference between revisions
From Halachipedia
→Uncommon Vestot
| Line 14: | Line 14: | ||
# Increasing intervals can be established whether they increase by one day at a time or multiple days as long as it is consistent. <ref>Rashba (Mishmeret Habayit 11b), Maggid Misna (Isurei Biyah 8:6), Shulchan Aruch 189:5, Shach 189:11</ref> However, a intervals that progressively increase (e.g. 30, 31, 33, 36) isn't considered a halachic pattern to create a veset.<ref>Shach 189:12</ref> | # Increasing intervals can be established whether they increase by one day at a time or multiple days as long as it is consistent. <ref>Rashba (Mishmeret Habayit 11b), Maggid Misna (Isurei Biyah 8:6), Shulchan Aruch 189:5, Shach 189:11</ref> However, a intervals that progressively increase (e.g. 30, 31, 33, 36) isn't considered a halachic pattern to create a veset.<ref>Shach 189:12</ref> | ||
# A decreasing veset is established just like an increasing veset.<ref> Shach 189:9 and Shach 189:68. See Tosfot Niddah 9b s.v. pichta. Sidrei Tahara 189:3 supports the Shach from the Raavad 3:6. The Peleti 189:6 accepts the Raavad's opinion but wonders how it is rationale since eventually the veset should run to the point that she won't see anymore and isn't a natural progression.</ref> | # A decreasing veset is established just like an increasing veset.<ref> Shach 189:9 and Shach 189:68. See Tosfot Niddah 9b s.v. pichta. Sidrei Tahara 189:3 supports the Shach from the Raavad 3:6. The Peleti 189:6 accepts the Raavad's opinion but wonders how it is rationale since eventually the veset should run to the point that she won't see anymore and isn't a natural progression.</ref> | ||
====Veset for Hours==== | |||
# If a woman has a veset for starting to see during a certain hour of the day then she is concerned about her regular non-kavuah vestot only for that hour.<ref>The Raavad (Baalei Hanefesh p. 32) writes that if a woman has a veset only for a specific hour during the day and not for days that can establish a veset for that hour. Shulchan Aruch 189:3 codifies the opinion of the Raavad. Chavot Daat 189:4 explains that if she doesn’t have a veset for days and does have an established hour, she only needs to keep her non-kavuah vestot during that hour that she has a veset for.</ref> | |||
==Differences between veset kavuah and a non-kavuah veset== | |||
# A veset kavuah is uprooted only after missing it three times, while a non-kavuah veset is uprooted with one time.<Ref>Rav Papa in Niddah 64a says that a non-kavuah veset is established and removed with one time. However, a kavuah veset the Mishna 63b says takes 3 times to establish and remove. Tur and Shulchan Aruch 189:2 codify this.</ref> | |||
# A kavuah veset requires a bedika during the veset and if she didn’t do one then she is forbidden to her husband until she does a bedika. However, a veset that’s not established after the day passes doesn’t require a bedika.<ref>Rashba (Torat Habayit 15b), Shulchan Aruch 189:4. Even though Shulchan Aruch 184:9 rules like the Rambam, the Shulchan Aruch retracted and held like the Rashba in 189:4.</ref> | |||
# The veset hachodesh is established from month to month irrelevant of whether the month is 29 or 30 days.<ref>Tosfot Niddah 64a s.v. itmar, Raavad p. 48, Rashba (Torat Habayit 9a), Tur and Shulchan Aruch 189:6</ref> | |||
# If a woman sees a pattern of three days in a row and then repeats that same cycle twice more she established a veset.<ref>Rabbenu Chananel understood the gemara Niddah 64a that you need to see 9 times in a pattern to establish a changing veset such as the 15th of one month, then the 16th of the next month, and then the 17th of the third month, the cycle continues for another 6 months starting the fourth and seventh time again on the 15th. Tosfot disagrees with Rabbenu Chananel in the gemara. Rashba (Torat Habyait 14b) writes that even though we disagree with the Rabbenu Chananel’s understanding we still hold that his case is considered a veset. Tur and Shulchan Aruch YD 189:8 agree.</ref> | |||
==How to uproot a veset== | |||
# For a veset hachodesh seeing an earlier day during the month doesn't uproot the veset unless that day comes and passes without seeing blood.<ref>Bet Yosef 189:13(2) s.v. v'im tomar, Shach 189:31</ref> | |||
# For a veset haflagah there is a dispute whether the shorter interval uproots a longer interval. Many poskim hold it doesn't uproot it.<ref>Bet Yosef 189:13 and Darkei Moshe 189:1 imply that a shorter period doesn't uproot a longer interval. This is also the opinion of the Taz 189:18. Shach 189:31 holds that it does. </ref> | |||
# Most poskim hold that if a woman saw blood before her veset and continued to see blood during her veset that blood doesn't further establish the veset but also doesn't uproot it. <ref>[http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=8339&st=&pgnum=31 Shaarei Tohar 4:21] writes that a continuation of a flow also uproots a veset just like it isn’t sufficient to establish a veset. However, Igrot Moshe YD 1:122 assumes that if a woman continues to see during her veset that doesn’t establish but also doesn’t uproot the veset. Minchat Yitzchak 8:74 agrees based on the Chavot Daat 189:7. Shevet Halevi 5:107:13 is also strict.</ref> | |||
==When is the veset?== | ==When is the veset?== | ||
