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#If the congregation already started and is in the middle of the shemona esrei if someone starts at that point some hold that it isn't considered tefillah btzibbur.<Ref>Pri Megadim E"A 109:2. Some ask why should a person who arrives late and the congregation already started shemona esrei shouldn't start his shemona esrei right then if he won't be able to finish before the congregation reaches kedusha or modim (Brachot 21). Isn't tefillah btzibbur greater than kedusha or modim? Pri Megadim E"A 109:2 answers that since the congregation already began he lost the oppurtunity for tefillah btzibbur either way. Pri Tevuah 68 (cited by Yabia Omer 2:7:4) holds that starting even during the chazarat hashatz immediately after modim is considered tefillah btzibbur and therefore waiting doesn't jepordize tefillah btzibbur. Amudei Esh 3:7 cited by Yabia Omer on the other hand holds like the Pri Megadim.</ref> | #If the congregation already started and is in the middle of the shemona esrei if someone starts at that point some hold that it isn't considered tefillah btzibbur.<Ref>Pri Megadim E"A 109:2. Some ask why should a person who arrives late and the congregation already started shemona esrei shouldn't start his shemona esrei right then if he won't be able to finish before the congregation reaches kedusha or modim (Brachot 21). Isn't tefillah btzibbur greater than kedusha or modim? Pri Megadim E"A 109:2 answers that since the congregation already began he lost the oppurtunity for tefillah btzibbur either way. Pri Tevuah 68 (cited by Yabia Omer 2:7:4) holds that starting even during the chazarat hashatz immediately after modim is considered tefillah btzibbur and therefore waiting doesn't jepordize tefillah btzibbur. Amudei Esh 3:7 cited by Yabia Omer on the other hand holds like the Pri Megadim.</ref> | ||
#If someone starts when the congregation starts even if one doesn't finish until after they reach kedusha it is considered tefillah btzibbur.<ref>Mishna Halachot 13:12, Betzel Chachma 4:3. Mishna Halachot explains that tefillah btzibbur is judged by the beginning of one's shemona esrei and references Tosfot Brachot 7a s.v. ilmaleh.</ref> | #If someone starts when the congregation starts even if one doesn't finish until after they reach kedusha it is considered tefillah btzibbur.<ref>Mishna Halachot 13:12, Betzel Chachma 4:3. Mishna Halachot explains that tefillah btzibbur is judged by the beginning of one's shemona esrei and references Tosfot Brachot 7a s.v. ilmaleh.</ref> | ||
#If someone starts together with the shaliach tzibbur's recitation of chazarat hashatz many consider that tefillah btzibbur.<ref>Betzel Chachma 4:3, Yabia Omer 2:7:4 citing Eshel Avraham Butchach 52:1 and Kaf Hachaim 90:63, Yalkut Yosef 90:9:16</ref> | #If someone starts together with the shaliach tzibbur's recitation of chazarat hashatz many consider that tefillah btzibbur.<ref>Betzel Chachma 4:3, Yabia Omer 2:7:4 citing Eshel Avraham Butchach 52:1 and Kaf Hachaim 90:63, Yalkut Yosef 90:9:16</ref> If someone is saying the shemona esrei together with the shaliach tzibbur on a fast day and they get up to Anenu he should be quiet and listen to the shaliach tzibbur's bracha. However, when he gets up to shema kolenu he shouldn't skip it even if though it means he's going to fall behind the shaliach tzibbur.<ref>[https://www.torahanytime.com/#/lectures?v=154795 Rav Yitzchak Yosef (Motzei Shabbat Balak 5781 min 47-52)] quoting Chesed Lavraham</ref> | ||
===Davening with Four Who Prayed Already=== | ===Davening with Four Who Prayed Already=== | ||
