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===Starting after the Congregation Started=== | ===Starting after the Congregation Started=== | ||
# Some hold that even if the Tzibbur is in the middle of Shemona Esrei and one starts one's silent Shemona Esrei that is considered Tefillah Btzibbur.<ref>Igrot Moshe OC 3:4</ref> | # Some hold that even if the Tzibbur is in the middle of Shemona Esrei and one starts one's silent Shemona Esrei that is considered Tefillah Btzibbur.<ref>Igrot Moshe OC 3:4</ref> | ||
===Davening with Four Who Prayed Already=== | |||
# If there are less than ten who are obligated to pray Shemona Esrei as long as they can get majority of the minyan who has not yet prayed they are allowed to pray together to recite [[Dvarim Shebekedusha]]. However, there is a dispute whether that is considered as davening together with a congregation, ''tefillah btzibbur''. Some say that unless all ten are praying Shemona Esrei it is not tefillah btzibbur.<ref>Igrot Moshe OC 1:28-30 based on Chayei Adam 19:1 and other sources. He explains that in order to daven as a congregation everyone needs to be davening. Using a majority doesn't create a quorum, which is a reality created by ten davening together. Dvarim Shebekedusha has a requirement of ten Jews present and majority who are obligated can satisfy that requirement.</ref> Others hold that it is considered tefillah btzibbur.<ref>Yachava Daat 5:7, Chelkat Yakov 1:20:2, Betzel Chachma 4:135, and Minchat Yitzchak 9:6-7. The primary proofs are the Rambam Tefillah 8:4, Mishna Brurah 69:8, and Pesachim 64b. Minchat Yitzchak recommends being strict when possible.</ref> | |||
===Davening in an Adjacent Room=== | ===Davening in an Adjacent Room=== | ||
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