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# If there is a minyan in one room and one is davening in an adjacent room he can answer their kaddish, kedusha, and barchu, and his davening is considered tefillah btzibbur. This is true even though he couldn't be counted towards the primary ten for the minyan.<ref>Aruch Hashulchan 55:23</ref> | # If there is a minyan in one room and one is davening in an adjacent room he can answer their kaddish, kedusha, and barchu, and according to many poskim his davening is considered tefillah btzibbur as long as he can hear them. This is true even though he couldn't be counted towards the primary ten for the minyan.<ref>Meiri Pesachim 85b s.v. umitoch, Aruch Hashulchan 55:23, Chazon Ish (Orchot Rabbenu v. 3 p. 208), [https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=22684&st=&pgnum=135 Shraga Hameir 8:77:6], Rav Yisrael Reisman (RJJ v. 75 p. 20). Chazon Ish thought that if someone is in a room close to the shul with the minyan inside and he hears them davening he can daven with them and it is considered tefillah btzibbur. Aruch Hashulchan 55:23 and Shraga Hameir 8:77:6 agree. However, it seems that Radvaz 2:650 disagrees. Towards the beginning he notes that if someone is in a room that is considered sufficiently part of the shul he doesn't count the ten for the minyan and he is not davening tefillah btzibbur. However, he does consider a room with no other entrance besides the shul to be an extension of the shul and someone davening there would count for the minyan. Mishna Brurah 55:58 cites this Radvaz as saying that someone in another room does not join for a minyan unless that smaller room is majority open to the larger room or there are no other entrances to that room. He seems to be at odds with the Chazon Ish and Aruch Hashulchan. Otzar Halachot v. 1 p. 330 and Orchot Rabbenu note this dispute between the Radvaz and Aruch Hashulchan. Similarly, Mishna Brurah 55:52 quotes those who say that if you disagree with the Rashba and seeing into the minyan is not considered sufficient to join for the ten of the minyan, it is not considered tefillah btzibbur. Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach in Halichot Shlomo (Tefillah p. 64) writes that someone standing in the lobby of the shul is not considered davening tefillah btzibbur even though he could hear them unless he can see them. Even seeing them isn't so great since it is a big dispute if he could join for a minyan that way. Rav Shlomo Zalman notes that it is not clear in the rishonim and perhaps Tosfot r"h 27b think unlike the aruch Hashulchan but the Meiri Pesachim 85b s.v. umitoch seems to be a proof for the Aruch Hashulchan.</ref> Many others disagree and do not consider it to be davening tefillah btzibbur unless you are able to join for a minyan in the same room.<Ref>Chayey Adam 30:1, Mishna Brurah 55:52, Mishna Brurah 55:28 citing Radvaz, Halichot Shlomo (ch. 5 Dvar Halacha fnt. 18).</ref> | ||
# If there is a larger room and a smaller room completely open to that larger one if the majority of the minyan is in the large room that is considered one minyan. If the majority of the minyan is in the small room they don't combine.<ref>Gemara Eruvin 92b. Tosfot 92b s.v. Tisha explains that the gemara is relevant to joining together for a minyan. Shulchan Aruch O.C. 55:16 quotes this gemara as the halacha.</ref> | # If there is a larger room and a smaller room completely open to that larger one if the majority of the minyan is in the large room that is considered one minyan. If the majority of the minyan is in the small room they don't combine.<ref>Gemara Eruvin 92b. Tosfot 92b s.v. Tisha explains that the gemara is relevant to joining together for a minyan. Shulchan Aruch O.C. 55:16 quotes this gemara as the halacha.</ref> | ||
# Some say that as long members of the minyan can see each other they can join together for a minyan.<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 55:14</ref> One should only rely on this opinion in an extenuating circumstance.<ref>Mishna Brurah 55:57</ref> | # Some say that as long members of the minyan can see each other they can join together for a minyan.<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 55:14</ref> One should only rely on this opinion in an extenuating circumstance.<ref>Mishna Brurah 55:57</ref> | ||
