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* See Dirshu 90:32 who cites the Chavaselet Hasharon 2 and Orchot Rabbenu v. 1 p. 51 that even the Tzlach never meant that it is considered tefillah btzibur. </ref> | * See Dirshu 90:32 who cites the Chavaselet Hasharon 2 and Orchot Rabbenu v. 1 p. 51 that even the Tzlach never meant that it is considered tefillah btzibur. </ref> | ||
# Someone from Diaspora who is davening a weekday Shemona Esrei with an Israeli minyan on the second day of Yom Tov that is considered Tefillah Btzibur.<ref>Yom Tov Sheni Khilchato (9:6 cited by Dirshu 90:32) quoting Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach and Rav Elyashiv</ref> In the opposite case with an Israeli in the Diaspora davening a weekday Shemona Esrei with the congregation davening a Yom Tov Shemona Esrei is a dispute if that is Tefillah Btzibur.<ref>Yom Tov Sheni Khilchato (ch. 3 fnt. 43-5, cited by Dirshu 90:32)</ref> | # Someone from Diaspora who is davening a weekday Shemona Esrei with an Israeli minyan on the second day of Yom Tov that is considered Tefillah Btzibur.<ref>Yom Tov Sheni Khilchato (9:6 cited by Dirshu 90:32) quoting Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach and Rav Elyashiv</ref> In the opposite case with an Israeli in the Diaspora davening a weekday Shemona Esrei with the congregation davening a Yom Tov Shemona Esrei is a dispute if that is Tefillah Btzibur.<ref>Yom Tov Sheni Khilchato (ch. 3 fnt. 43-5, cited by Dirshu 90:32)</ref> | ||
# Some hold that even if the Tzibbur is in the middle of Shemona Esrei and one starts one's silent Shemona Esrei that is considered Tefillah Btzibbur.<ref>Igrot Moshe OC 3:4</ref> | |||
===Davening in an Adjacent Room=== | ===Davening in an Adjacent Room=== | ||
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# It is permissible to miss a [[minyan]] in order to prevent a loss of money, however, it is forbidden if it is just a loss of a potential profit. <Ref>Mishna Brurah 90:29 </ref> | # It is permissible to miss a [[minyan]] in order to prevent a loss of money, however, it is forbidden if it is just a loss of a potential profit. <Ref>Mishna Brurah 90:29 </ref> | ||
==Missing a Minyan for Vacation == | ==Missing a Minyan for Vacation == | ||
# A person should not travel from a place where there is a [[minyan]] to a place where there is no [[minyan]] unless there is a serious health need, [[parnasa]] (financial support for oneself and family) need, or mitzvah need. <Ref> Halichot Shlomo (5:4 pg 61) writes that for [[parnasa]], health, or mitzvah needs one may travel to a place where one will not be able to find a [[minyan]]. | # A person should not travel from a place where there is a [[minyan]] to a place where there is no [[minyan]] unless there is a serious health need, [[parnasa]] (financial support for oneself and family) need, or mitzvah need. <Ref> Halichot Shlomo (5:4 pg 61) writes that for [[parnasa]], health, or mitzvah needs one may travel to a place where one will not be able to find a [[minyan]]. Shevet Halevi 6:21:3 and Teshuvot Vhanhagot 2:63 agree that it is forbidden to vacation in a place without a minyan since one is actively giving up a mitzvah of dvarim shebekedusha and the importance of tefillah btzibbur.</ref> Some poskim write that there is theoretical grounds to be more lenient to vacation in a place without a minyan.<ref> | ||
* Theoretical discussion: [Rav Zalman Nechemyah Goldberg (Halichot Shlomo (page 72 and 358) at first writes that seemingly it would be permissible to put oneself in a situation where one will be without a [[minyan]] as long as the time for that [[tefillah]] did not arrive, similar to the Baal HaMoer who permits boarding a boat 3 days before [[Shabbat]] even if one might need to violate [[Shabbat]] for Pikuach Nefesh. (The reason for 3 days is that there is an extension of [[Shabbat]] into the last three days of the week, however, the obligation of [[tefillah]] only applies at the time of [[prayer]]). However, he strongly rejects this by saying that putting oneself in a situation of missing praying with a [[minyan]] because it would be out of one's control to get a [[minyan]] in one's destination is totally dissimilar to violating [[Shabbat]] for Pikuach Nefesh which is permitted. He says that going to such a place is like not building a [[Sukkah]] for [[Sukkot]] and trying to claim that it is out of one's control to sit in the [[Sukkah]]. He continues that perhaps the exemption from traveling more than a [[mil]] to find a [[minyan]] is not because of it being out of one's control, but that the obligation of [[minyan]] was removed by chazal for someone at such a distance, similar to someone beyond a certain distance at the time of korban [[pesach]], then perhaps there would not be a prohibition to put oneself in such a situation. He leaves the question whether there is an obligation to find oneself in a place where there is a [[minyan]] (before the time of [[tefillah]]) unanswered, nonetheless, it is certain that the correct righteous practice would be not to put oneself in such a situation.] | * [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/743095/Rabbi_Aryeh_Lebowitz/Ten_Minute_Halacha_-_Minyan:_Cake_or_Icing Rabbi Aryeh Lebowitz] explained that this question would be dependent on another dispute whether [[davening]] in a [[minyan]] is an absolute obligation or an added feature to [[davening]]. | ||
* [https://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/922734/rabbi-michoel-zylberman/the-shulchan-aruch-s-guide-to-planning-vacations/ Rabbi Zylberman] writes that according to Rav Moshe (Igrot Moshe 2:27) that going to minyan is an absolute obligation it is forbidden to vacation to a place without a minyan. However, according to the Emek Bracha (Birchot Kriyat Shema 1) that it isn't an absolute obligation perhaps it is permitted. | |||
* Theoretical discussion: [Rav Zalman Nechemyah Goldberg (Halichot Shlomo (page 72 and 358) at first writes that seemingly it would be permissible to put oneself in a situation where one will be without a [[minyan]] as long as the time for that [[tefillah]] did not arrive, similar to the Baal HaMoer who permits boarding a boat 3 days before [[Shabbat]] even if one might need to violate [[Shabbat]] for Pikuach Nefesh. (The reason for 3 days is that there is an extension of [[Shabbat]] into the last three days of the week, however, the obligation of [[tefillah]] only applies at the time of [[prayer]]). However, he strongly rejects this by saying that putting oneself in a situation of missing praying with a [[minyan]] because it would be out of one's control to get a [[minyan]] in one's destination is totally dissimilar to violating [[Shabbat]] for Pikuach Nefesh which is permitted. He says that going to such a place is like not building a [[Sukkah]] for [[Sukkot]] and trying to claim that it is out of one's control to sit in the [[Sukkah]]. He continues that perhaps the exemption from traveling more than a [[mil]] to find a [[minyan]] is not because of it being out of one's control, but that the obligation of [[minyan]] was removed by chazal for someone at such a distance, similar to someone beyond a certain distance at the time of korban [[pesach]], then perhaps there would not be a prohibition to put oneself in such a situation. He leaves the question whether there is an obligation to find oneself in a place where there is a [[minyan]] (before the time of [[tefillah]]) unanswered, nonetheless, it is certain that the correct righteous practice would be not to put oneself in such a situation.]</ref> | |||
# One should not go on a short trip if it means missing praying with a [[minyan]]. <Ref>Rav Nevinsal in BeYitzchak Yikra 90:18 </ref> | |||
==Missing Minyan in order to Host Guests== | ==Missing Minyan in order to Host Guests== | ||
