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## If there is a [[minyan]] of ten adult males, but four of them already davened, the congregation may still say [[Kaddish]], [[Barchu]], and [[Kedusha]]. <ref> Shulchan Aruch 69:1 Mishna Brurah 69:8, Yalkut Yosef (90:14, Sherit Yosef 2 pg 341) </ref> | ## If there is a [[minyan]] of ten adult males, but four of them already davened, the congregation may still say [[Kaddish]], [[Barchu]], and [[Kedusha]]. <ref> Shulchan Aruch 69:1 Mishna Brurah 69:8, Yalkut Yosef (90:14, Sherit Yosef 2 pg 341) </ref> | ||
# According to the halacha, it is permissible to start [[Chazarat HaShatz]] even if 4 people in the [[minyan]] are still [[davening]] the silent [[Shmoneh Esrei]]. However, it is better to wait until there are ten who are able to answer before starting [[Chazarat HaShatz]].<ref>Halacha Brurah 55:18-9, Mishna Brurah 55:32</ref> | # According to the halacha, it is permissible to start [[Chazarat HaShatz]] even if 4 people in the [[minyan]] are still [[davening]] the silent [[Shmoneh Esrei]]. However, it is better to wait until there are ten who are able to answer before starting [[Chazarat HaShatz]].<ref>Halacha Brurah 55:18-9, Mishna Brurah 55:32</ref> | ||
==What is Considered Davening with a Minyan?== | |||
# Is davening Shemona Esrei when the tzibur is davening a different Shemona Esrei is that considered tefillah btzibur? Many achronim that it is considered tefillah btzibur, while many others disagree.<ref> | |||
* Magen Avraham 90:16 and 236:3 writes that it isn't. His proof is from Avoda Zara 4b that forbad davening Mussaf on Rosh Hashana at home within the first three hours of the day when the Tzibur is davening Shacharit in Shul. However, the Eliya Rabba 236:7 argues that it is considered tefillah btzibur if you are actually in the shul. Tzlach Brachot 6a writes that even the Magen Avraham would agree with the Eliya Rabba if he was actually in the shul together. Magen Giborim A"H 90:14, Pri Megadim M"Z 236:4, and Mishna Brurah 90:30 agree. [However, Halacha Brurah 90:26 proves that this Tzlach is incorrect because of the Magen Avraham 236:3.] | |||
* Rav Yitzchak Elchanan in Bear Yitzchak 20 proves from the Yerushalmi Brachot 4:6 that the Magen Avraham is correct that it isn’t considered tefillah btzibur even if you’re in the same shul davening together with them a different Shemona Esrei unlike the Tzlach. Igrot Moshe OC 4:68 argues with his proof but agrees with the Magen Avraham. Halacha Brurah 90:26 cites the dispute. Shalmat Chaim 113 agrees with the Tzlach but see the footnote which understands that he never meant that. | |||
* See Dirshu 90:32 who cites the Chavaselet Hasharon 2 and Orchot Rabbenu v. 1 p. 51 that even the Tzlach never meant that it is considered tefillah btzibur. </ref> | |||
# Someone from Diaspora who is davening a weekday Shemona Esrei with an Israeli minyan on the second day of Yom Tov that is considered Tefillah Btzibur.<ref>Yom Tov Sheni Khilchato (9:6 cited by Dirshu 90:32) quoting Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach and Rav Elyashiv</ref> In the opposite case with an Israeli in the Diaspora davening a weekday Shemona Esrei with the congregation davening a Yom Tov Shemona Esrei is a dispute if that is Tefillah Btzibur.<ref>Yom Tov Sheni Khilchato (ch. 3 fnt. 43-5, cited by Dirshu 90:32)</ref> | |||
==Who Counts for a Minyan?== | ==Who Counts for a Minyan?== | ||
# A minimum of ten Jewish free adult men are necessary to form a [[minyan]]<Ref>Shulchan Aruch, Orach Chayim 55:4</ref>. | # A minimum of ten Jewish free adult men are necessary to form a [[minyan]]<Ref>Shulchan Aruch, Orach Chayim 55:4</ref>. | ||
