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==Beating the Aravot== | ==Beating the Aravot== | ||
# It is our custom on [[Hoshana Rabba]] morning to beat five [[aravot]] on the floor five times. <ref> Chazon Ovadia 440</ref> | # It is our custom on [[Hoshana Rabba]] morning after [[mussaf]] to beat five [[aravot]] on the floor five times. <ref> Chazon Ovadia [[Sukkot]] pg. 440, Yalkut Yosef Moadim pg. 183, Shaar Hakavanot 105A</ref> | ||
#We hold like the opinion in the gemara that the beating of the [[aravot]] is a [[minhag]] neviim, and therefore there is no beracha recited on it. <ref> This argument about whether its a [[minhag]] neviim or yesod neviim appears on succa 44a-b. Rashi there says the practical difference halachically is whether or not we say a beracha, meaning since we hold its [[minhag]] therefore we don't say the beracha. | #We hold like the opinion in the gemara that the beating of the [[aravot]] is a [[minhag]] neviim, and therefore there is no beracha recited on it. <ref> This argument about whether its a [[minhag]] neviim or yesod neviim appears on succa 44a-b. Rashi there says the practical difference halachically is whether or not we say a beracha, meaning since we hold its [[minhag]] therefore we don't say the beracha. Rambam Hilchot Succa 7:22 </ref> | ||
==Who's obligated?== | ==Who's obligated?== | ||
# [[Women]] are exempt from beating the [[Aravot]]. <ref> Chazon Ovadyah ([[Sukkot]] pg 443) </ref> | # [[Women]] are exempt from beating the [[Aravot]]. <ref> Chazon Ovadyah ([[Sukkot]] pg 443). see also Sh"t Rav Pealim 1:Kuntres Sod Yesharim:12 </ref> | ||
==Which Aravot are fit?== | ==Which Aravot are fit?== | ||
# The [[Aravot]] used for beating the [[Aravot]] must be fit for shaking the [[four minim]]. <ref> Chazon Ovadyah ([[Sukkot]] pg 443) </ref> | # The [[Aravot]] used for beating the [[Aravot]] must be fit for shaking the [[four minim]]. <ref> Chazon Ovadyah ([[Sukkot]] pg 443) </ref> | ||
# | #If necessary, it is permissible to use the two [[aravot]] that were tied to your [[lulav]] once you have fulfilled that mitzva, for the beating and removed the [[aravot]] from the tie. <ref> Mishna Berura 664:21 as well as Chazon Ovadia Succot pg. 442 say that although Shulchan Aruch 664:6 holds like the gemara [[sukkah]] 44b that you cannot be yotzei with the [[aravot]] with the [[lulav]], that's only talking about when the [[aravot]] are still tied to the [[lulav]]. In addition, this is not a problem of maalin bakodesh viein moridin (we go up in holiness and don't go down) because the Mordechai says that's only referring to items that are holy and not items that are just used for a mitzva. Yalkut Yosef Moadim pg. 183, Sh"t Yechave Daat 3:48, Beit Yosef Yoreh Deah 259 and Shach 259:11 hold like this. </ref> | ||
# If necessary, one can pass his [[aravot]] that he used to beat on the ground to a friend to fulfill his obligation as well as long as most of the leaves are still on the branch. <ref> Sh"T Yechave Daat 3:48 </ref> | |||
# The minumum length for an [[aravah]] branch for beating is 3 [[tefachim]], like it is for the [[aravah]] for the mitzva with [[lulav]]. <ref> Chazon Ovadia [[Sukkot]] pg. 443 </ref> | |||
==Sources== | ==Sources== | ||
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Revision as of 12:24, 23 September 2013
Beating the Aravot
- It is our custom on Hoshana Rabba morning after mussaf to beat five aravot on the floor five times. [1]
- We hold like the opinion in the gemara that the beating of the aravot is a minhag neviim, and therefore there is no beracha recited on it. [2]
Who's obligated?
Which Aravot are fit?
- The Aravot used for beating the Aravot must be fit for shaking the four minim. [4]
- If necessary, it is permissible to use the two aravot that were tied to your lulav once you have fulfilled that mitzva, for the beating and removed the aravot from the tie. [5]
- If necessary, one can pass his aravot that he used to beat on the ground to a friend to fulfill his obligation as well as long as most of the leaves are still on the branch. [6]
- The minumum length for an aravah branch for beating is 3 tefachim, like it is for the aravah for the mitzva with lulav. [7]
Sources
- ↑ Chazon Ovadia Sukkot pg. 440, Yalkut Yosef Moadim pg. 183, Shaar Hakavanot 105A
- ↑ This argument about whether its a minhag neviim or yesod neviim appears on succa 44a-b. Rashi there says the practical difference halachically is whether or not we say a beracha, meaning since we hold its minhag therefore we don't say the beracha. Rambam Hilchot Succa 7:22
- ↑ Chazon Ovadyah (Sukkot pg 443). see also Sh"t Rav Pealim 1:Kuntres Sod Yesharim:12
- ↑ Chazon Ovadyah (Sukkot pg 443)
- ↑ Mishna Berura 664:21 as well as Chazon Ovadia Succot pg. 442 say that although Shulchan Aruch 664:6 holds like the gemara sukkah 44b that you cannot be yotzei with the aravot with the lulav, that's only talking about when the aravot are still tied to the lulav. In addition, this is not a problem of maalin bakodesh viein moridin (we go up in holiness and don't go down) because the Mordechai says that's only referring to items that are holy and not items that are just used for a mitzva. Yalkut Yosef Moadim pg. 183, Sh"t Yechave Daat 3:48, Beit Yosef Yoreh Deah 259 and Shach 259:11 hold like this.
- ↑ Sh"T Yechave Daat 3:48
- ↑ Chazon Ovadia Sukkot pg. 443
