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# Two who ate together can’t obligated in Zimmun and so they should say Birkat HaMazon to themselves. However, if one doesn’t know how to say Birkat HaMazon and one does, then the one who knows may say it aloud and fulfill the obligation of the one who doesn’t know as long as the one saying has intent to fulfill the obligation of the other, and the one listening has intent to fulfill his obligation. <ref>S”A 193:1 </ref> | # Two who ate together can’t obligated in Zimmun and so they should say Birkat HaMazon to themselves. However, if one doesn’t know how to say Birkat HaMazon and one does, then the one who knows may say it aloud and fulfill the obligation of the one who doesn’t know as long as the one saying has intent to fulfill the obligation of the other, and the one listening has intent to fulfill his obligation. <ref>S”A 193:1 </ref> | ||
# According to some it’s crucial that the one who is listening in order to fulfill his obligation must understand the birkat hamazon, while others are lenient and defend the minhag. <Ref>Mishna Brurah 193:5 </ref> | # According to some it’s crucial that the one who is listening in order to fulfill his obligation must understand the birkat hamazon, while others are lenient and defend the minhag. <Ref>Mishna Brurah 193:5 </ref> | ||
==Splitting up a group== | |||
# Three who ate together must do Zimmun and each one is not allowed to leave the Zimmun. However if there’s six or more in the Zimmun, the group is allowed to split into two groups of three. If there’s ten then each one isn’t allowed to leave the Zimmun as they are obligated in ZImmun with a mentioning of Hashem’s name. However, if there’s twenty the group may split into two groups of ten. <Ref>S”A 193:1 </ref> | |||
# Some say that it’s always preferable to join together in a larger group while others contend that once one is joining in a group of three or ten there’s no obligation to join in a larger group. <Ref>Rama 193:2, Mishna Brurah 193:11 </ref> | |||
# If three people ate together in the beginning or they finished together (and it’s considered as if they finished together if they still would eat something had if be brought to them) then there’s an obligation of ZImmun. <Ref>Mishna Brurah 193:19 </ref> | |||
==Who can join a Zimmun== | ==Who can join a Zimmun== | ||
# The Ashkenazic minhag is not to include children under Bar mitzvah for zimmun<Ref>Rama 199:10 </ref>, while the Sephardic minhag is to include children of age 6 who know to whom they are saying Birkat HaMazon. <ref>S"A 199:10, Sh"t Yechava Daat 4:13 </ref> | # The Ashkenazic minhag is not to include children under Bar mitzvah for zimmun<Ref>Rama 199:10 </ref>, while the Sephardic minhag is to include children of age 6 who know to whom they are saying Birkat HaMazon. <ref>S"A 199:10, Sh"t Yechava Daat 4:13 </ref> | ||
