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## If that isn't possible then the minyan should use the following schedule: say up to Birchot [[Kriyat Shema]] without [[Tallit]] and [[Tefillin]] (except for Shaliach Tzibbur who should put on [[Tallit]] and [[Tefillin]] before Yishtabach), when [[MeSheYakir]] arrives put on [[Tallit]] and [[Tefillin]], then continue from there. <Ref>[http://www.ou.org/webcast_kosher Rabbi Yisrael Belsky] (OU Kosher Webcast, min 19:30-28:30). Sh"t Igrot Moshe 4:6 writes that a person who needs to make it to work is considered to be in an extenuating circumstance in which Shulchan Aruch 89:8 writes that one may pray [[Shacharit]] after Olot Hashachar See also Iggrot Moshe OC 1:10 and Yechave Daat 2:8.</ref> | ## If that isn't possible then the minyan should use the following schedule: say up to Birchot [[Kriyat Shema]] without [[Tallit]] and [[Tefillin]] (except for Shaliach Tzibbur who should put on [[Tallit]] and [[Tefillin]] before Yishtabach), when [[MeSheYakir]] arrives put on [[Tallit]] and [[Tefillin]], then continue from there. <Ref>[http://www.ou.org/webcast_kosher Rabbi Yisrael Belsky] (OU Kosher Webcast, min 19:30-28:30). Sh"t Igrot Moshe 4:6 writes that a person who needs to make it to work is considered to be in an extenuating circumstance in which Shulchan Aruch 89:8 writes that one may pray [[Shacharit]] after Olot Hashachar See also Iggrot Moshe OC 1:10 and Yechave Daat 2:8.</ref> | ||
# If the choice is to pray with an early [[minyan]] that davens before Netz after Msheyakir or to pray later by oneself, such as in one's office, one should rather pray earlier with a [[minyan]].<Ref>[http://www.ou.org/webcast_kosher Rabbi Yisrael Belsky] (OU Kosher Webcast, min 19:30-28:30), Igrot Moshe 4:6 s.v. im ken, Peri Yitzchak 1:2, Sh"t Yaskil Avdi 5:10, Sh"t Minchat Yitzchak 9:10. Chazon Ish (Ishei Yisrael 13:note 21) ruled likewise. [http://www.ou.org/webcast_kosher Rabbi Yisrael Belsky] (OU Kosher Webcast, min 19:30-28:30) said that if one feels that it is just too dark and one cannot understand what the people are relying on to put on [[Tefillin]] so early one should say up to Baruch SheAmar before traveling and then pray at one’s office.</ref> Some disagree and say that you should pray on your own rather than daven before netz. <ref> Sh”t Sheilot Shmuel OC 12, Rav Elyashiv (quoted in Avnei Yashfei [[Tefillah]] page 167), Yalkut Yosef ([[Tefilla]] pages 137-139, 89:14). </ref> | # If the choice is to pray with an early [[minyan]] that davens before Netz after Msheyakir or to pray later by oneself, such as in one's office, one should rather pray earlier with a [[minyan]].<Ref>[http://www.ou.org/webcast_kosher Rabbi Yisrael Belsky] (OU Kosher Webcast, min 19:30-28:30), Igrot Moshe 4:6 s.v. im ken, Peri Yitzchak 1:2, Sh"t Yaskil Avdi 5:10, Sh"t Minchat Yitzchak 9:10. Chazon Ish (Ishei Yisrael 13:note 21) ruled likewise. [http://www.ou.org/webcast_kosher Rabbi Yisrael Belsky] (OU Kosher Webcast, min 19:30-28:30) said that if one feels that it is just too dark and one cannot understand what the people are relying on to put on [[Tefillin]] so early one should say up to Baruch SheAmar before traveling and then pray at one’s office.</ref> Some disagree and say that you should pray on your own rather than daven before netz. <ref> Sh”t Sheilot Shmuel OC 12, Rav Elyashiv (quoted in Avnei Yashfei [[Tefillah]] page 167), Yalkut Yosef ([[Tefilla]] pages 137-139, 89:14). </ref> | ||
# If a person who is not in a rush to pray before sunrise is needed for a [[minyan]] that is praying before sunrise there is a dispute whether he is allowed to join or not. <ref> Rav Yosef Shalom Elyashiv quoted in Tefilla Kehilchita page 78 and in Avnei Yashfe (Tefilla page 169 89:14) says that although he can answer for their [[minyan]] he cannot pray with them. This is true even if he is the sixth one who would be praying (a [[minyan]] requires ten but a minimum of six praying at the time) and his refusal to pray would prevent there being a [[minyan]]. Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach in Halichot Shlomo 1:5-13 though ruled that if the refusal to join will prevent the [[minyan]] he may pray with them as long as it is not on a consistent basis. </ref> | # If a person who is not in a rush to pray before sunrise is needed for a [[minyan]] that is praying before sunrise there is a dispute whether he is allowed to join or not. <ref> Rav Yosef Shalom Elyashiv quoted in Tefilla Kehilchita page 78 and in Avnei Yashfe (Tefilla page 169 89:14) says that although he can answer for their [[minyan]] he cannot pray with them. This is true even if he is the sixth one who would be praying (a [[minyan]] requires ten but a minimum of six praying at the time) and his refusal to pray would prevent there being a [[minyan]]. Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach in Halichot Shlomo 1:5-13 (and Avnei Yishfe p. 169) though ruled that if the refusal to join will prevent the [[minyan]] he may pray with them as long as it is not on a consistent basis. </ref> | ||
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