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# Interestingly enough, a case when one is not always chayav is setting a trap. Some poskim say one is chayav for setting a trap that will definitely catch something on Shabbos.<ref> Pri Megadim-Eshel Avraham 317:9 based on Tosfos 17b </ref> Others however say one is only chayav if the animal is already entering the trap as he sets it.<ref> Mishna Brurah 316:18 from Magen Avraham based on Tosfos 17b. For more details see ''Toras Hamelochos'' vol. 5 p. 21-33 </ref> | # Interestingly enough, a case when one is not always chayav is setting a trap. Some poskim say one is chayav for setting a trap that will definitely catch something on Shabbos.<ref> Pri Megadim-Eshel Avraham 317:9 based on Tosfos 17b </ref> Others however say one is only chayav if the animal is already entering the trap as he sets it.<ref> Mishna Brurah 316:18 from Magen Avraham based on Tosfos 17b. For more details see ''Toras Hamelochos'' vol. 5 p. 21-33 </ref> | ||
# The Achronim explain in different contexts why tzad may be different than other melachos. There are different variations of the idea that Tzeida doesn’t affect a physical change in the animal, the object of the melacha.<ref> Avnei Nezer O”C 189:7 </ref> Some extend this idea to explaining that unlike other melachos where the melacha is the goal-oriented, here it is the action that is prohibited.<ref> Shiurei Rav Shimon Shkop Kesubos 4:2 </ref> These approaches help explain why we find in various places that one’s mindset matters more by Tzad than by other melachos.<ref> See for some examples Rashba 107a based on Yerushalmi and Magid Mishna Shabbos 10:17 </ref> | # The Achronim explain in different contexts why tzad may be different than other melachos. There are different variations of the idea that Tzeida doesn’t affect a physical change in the animal, the object of the melacha.<ref> Avnei Nezer O”C 189:7 </ref> Some extend this idea to explaining that unlike other melachos where the melacha is the goal-oriented, here it is the action that is prohibited.<ref> Shiurei Rav Shimon Shkop Kesubos 4:2 </ref> These approaches help explain why we find in various places that one’s mindset matters more by Tzad than by other melachos.<ref> See for some examples Rashba 107a based on Yerushalmi and Magid Mishna Shabbos 10:17 </ref> | ||
# Sephardim hold that it is permitted to put out a mouse trap on Shabbat since it is only grama.<ref>Chazon Ovadia v. 5 p. 118</ref> Ashkenazim are strict.<ref>Mishna Brurah 316:18</ref> | |||
===Toladot=== | ===Toladot=== | ||
# While Meleches Tzad is very complex, it doesn’t appear to have any toldos. There is only one thing prohibited by this melacha-trapping.<ref> Some meforshim try to explain how some ways of trapping, done differently than in the mishkan, are indeed only toldos. See Avnei Nezer O”C Siman 195 </ref> | # While Meleches Tzad is very complex, it doesn’t appear to have any toldos. There is only one thing prohibited by this melacha-trapping.<ref> Some meforshim try to explain how some ways of trapping, done differently than in the mishkan, are indeed only toldos. See Avnei Nezer O”C Siman 195 </ref> | ||
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# A bee is an example of an animal which isn't usually trapped, nonetheless it is still rabbinically forbidden to trap a bee. <Ref> S”A 316:3 gives the example of a bee which isn’t usually trapped and still the prohibition to trap it is derabbanan. </ref> | # A bee is an example of an animal which isn't usually trapped, nonetheless it is still rabbinically forbidden to trap a bee. <Ref> S”A 316:3 gives the example of a bee which isn’t usually trapped and still the prohibition to trap it is derabbanan. </ref> | ||
# The prohibition doesn’t apply to [[trapping]] people.<ref>Shemirat [[Shabbat]] Kehilchata (chap 27 note 119) quotes Rav Shlomo Zalman who discusses this at length and seems to side with the argument that there's no [[trapping]] by people because a normal person wouldn't think of running away unless he's running away from the police but even in such a case since he's still among people he's not considered trapped. Yalkut Yosef 316:2 writes that the prohibition doesn't apply to people. see also Sh"t Avnei Nezer OC 189:22</ref> | # The prohibition doesn’t apply to [[trapping]] people.<ref>Shemirat [[Shabbat]] Kehilchata (chap 27 note 119) quotes Rav Shlomo Zalman who discusses this at length and seems to side with the argument that there's no [[trapping]] by people because a normal person wouldn't think of running away unless he's running away from the police but even in such a case since he's still among people he's not considered trapped. Yalkut Yosef 316:2 writes that the prohibition doesn't apply to people. see also Sh"t Avnei Nezer OC 189:22</ref> | ||
==In the Mishkan== | ==In the Mishkan== | ||
# In the mishkan they would trap rams to use their skins for the curtains and the chilazon for its techeles.<ref> See Rashi 73a s.v. Hatzad es hatzvi. See also gemara 75a </ref> | # In the mishkan they would trap rams to use their skins for the curtains and the chilazon for its techeles.<ref> See Rashi 73a s.v. Hatzad es hatzvi. See also gemara 75a </ref> | ||
