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# A solid item that falls onto something cold according to the Maharshal is considered a kli rishon, while according to the Rama is considered an broken stream iruy. If that solid item is mixed with hot liquids the Rama agrees that even the solid is considered like an unbroken stream iruy since it is mixed in hot liquids.<ref>The Rama cited by Shach 105:8 answers how a bug poured in hot liquid could transmit taste to the utensil it falls upon that it is treated as an iruy since it is mixed in with other hot liquids. Shaarei Deah Luria 99:1 p. 438 explains further that if it wasn't mixed in it would be considered a broken stream iruy which wouldn't forbid the utensil since it couldn't be mavliya umaflit k'echad. However, since it is mixed in with hot liquids it is considered an unbroken stream iruy and can be maliya umaflit k'echad.</ref> | # A solid item that falls onto something cold according to the Maharshal is considered a kli rishon, while according to the Rama is considered an broken stream iruy. If that solid item is mixed with hot liquids the Rama agrees that even the solid is considered like an unbroken stream iruy since it is mixed in hot liquids.<ref>The Rama cited by Shach 105:8 answers how a bug poured in hot liquid could transmit taste to the utensil it falls upon that it is treated as an iruy since it is mixed in with other hot liquids. Shaarei Deah Luria 99:1 p. 438 explains further that if it wasn't mixed in it would be considered a broken stream iruy which wouldn't forbid the utensil since it couldn't be mavliya umaflit k'echad. However, since it is mixed in with hot liquids it is considered an unbroken stream iruy and can be maliya umaflit k'echad.</ref> | ||
==Ladle== | |||
# There is a dispute whether a ladle that was dipped into a kli rishon pot is considered like a kli rishon<ref>Taz 92:30 and Nekudat Hakesef there</ref> or a kli sheni unless it was left in the pot for a long time so that it like become a kli rishon as well.<reF>Maharil cited by Taz 92:30. See Mishna Brurah 318:45.</ref> | |||
==Kli Shelishi== | ==Kli Shelishi== | ||
# If something permitted was cooked with something forbidden in a kli shelishi, after the fact some hold that the food is permitted.<Ref>Horah Brurah 105:29 writes that even though some are strict regarding a kli sheni there's no need to be strict regarding a kli shelishi. Shevet Halevi 8:181 agrees. Badei Hashulchan cites the Pri Chadash who is strict. See Chatom Sofer YD 95.</ref> Some say that a kli shelishi is the same as a kli sheni.<ref>Badei Hashulchan 94:101 citing Pri Chadash 68, Aruch Hashulchan end of 94, Chazon Ish OC 52. See however, Shaar Hatziyun 451:10 who distinguishes between kli sheni and kli shelishi.</ref> | # If something permitted was cooked with something forbidden in a kli shelishi, after the fact some hold that the food is permitted.<Ref>Horah Brurah 105:29 writes that even though some are strict regarding a kli sheni there's no need to be strict regarding a kli shelishi. Shevet Halevi 8:181 agrees. Badei Hashulchan cites the Pri Chadash who is strict. See Chatom Sofer YD 95.</ref> Some say that a kli shelishi is the same as a kli sheni.<ref>Badei Hashulchan 94:101 citing Pri Chadash 68, Aruch Hashulchan end of 94, Chazon Ish OC 52. See however, Shaar Hatziyun 451:10 who distinguishes between kli sheni and kli shelishi.</ref> | ||
