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There are two reasons brought as to why these items would be forbidden during the Seuda Mafseket: 1) These were items typically placed on the mizbeach and therefore we commemorate the loss of the Beit Hamikdash by not eating/drinking them 2) This meal matches the prohibitions usually observed by an Onen after he loses a relative before the burial (Trumat Ha'deshen). | There are two reasons brought as to why these items would be forbidden during the Seuda Mafseket: 1) These were items typically placed on the mizbeach and therefore we commemorate the loss of the Beit Hamikdash by not eating/drinking them 2) This meal matches the prohibitions usually observed by an Onen after he loses a relative before the burial (Trumat Ha'deshen). | ||
Thus, according to the first reason there would be an additional reason to prohibit wine and meat on Tisha BeAv which would even apply to someone who is permitted to break their fast, while according to the second reason there would be no additional reason to prohibit wine or meat on Tisha Beav more than the regular rules that govern the 9 days. | Thus, according to the first reason there would be an additional reason to prohibit wine and meat on Tisha BeAv which would even apply to someone who is permitted to break their fast, while according to the second reason there would be no additional reason to prohibit wine or meat on Tisha Beav more than the regular rules that govern the 9 days. | ||
Therefore, because of this additional concern, some who would typically allow making Havdala on wine during the 9 days would prohibit this on Tisha Be'Av itself and instead require one to use Chamar Medina (Rav Moshe Soloveitchik, oral communication). </ref> One may fulfill his/her obligation to hear Havdalah even through someone who is making Havdala on Tisha Be'av who is permitted to eat.<ref>Yalkut Yosef, Kitzur S"A, Volume 2, 556:7.</ref> | Therefore, because of this additional concern, some who would typically allow making Havdala on wine during the 9 days would prohibit this on Tisha Be'Av itself and instead require one to use Chamar Medina (Rav Moshe Soloveitchik, oral communication). </ref> Summer hold that it is preferable to use grape juice.<ref>[https://youtu.be/m_BFkLGwzjk Rav Osher Weiss (min 16:05-17:20)]. He explained that nowadays it is questionable to use any drink for chamar mdina (See Rav Elyashiv in Kovetz Teshuvot) so it is preferable to use grape juice and rely on those who permit it during the nine days and Tisha bav for someone sick.</ref> One may fulfill his/her obligation to hear Havdalah even through someone who is making Havdala on Tisha Be'av who is permitted to eat.<ref>Yalkut Yosef, Kitzur S"A, Volume 2, 556:7.</ref> | ||
#One who needs to eat on Tisha B'av that falls out on Sunday must recite Havdalah beforehand. Some say that if they're sick they should wait until they need to eat to recite Havdalah and not say it immediately Saturday night unless they need to eat then.<ref>Yachava Daat 3:40 in the footnote writes that even though the Knesset Hagedola says that someone eating on Tisha B'av that falls out on Sunday should recite Havdalah before they eat on Saturday night doesn't mean that they need to recite Havdalah Saturday night, but rather they should wait until they need to eat and then recite Havdalah.</ref> Others hold that they should initially recite havdalah immediately on Motzei Shabbat.<ref>[https://www.torahanytime.com/#/lectures?v=199132 Rav Yitzchak Yosef (Motzei Shabbat Parshat Matot 5782 min 13-14)] explained that originally his father held that a person should wait until they need to eat before reciting havdalah. However, later after Rav Massas challenged his opinion based on the Knesset Hagedola that indeed the sick person should recite havdalah immediately on Motzei Shabbat. Rav Yitzchak added that this is the preferred option even though she just finished seuda shelishit and is not hungry since it is always ideal to recite havdalah on Motzei Shabbat and not delay. This is reiterated in Yalkut Yosef (Arba Taniyot, 5779 edition, pp. 494-6) and clear in Chazon Ovadia (Arba Taniyot pp. 349-50). See further [https://halachayomit.co.il/he/Default.aspx?HalachaID=629 Halachayomit.co.il] which quotes Rav Ovadia's earlier ruling that a nursing or pregnant woman should wait until chatzot unless she feels very weak or is sick to recite havdalah and eat.</ref> | #One who needs to eat on Tisha B'av that falls out on Sunday must recite Havdalah beforehand. Some say that if they're sick they should wait until they need to eat to recite Havdalah and not say it immediately Saturday night unless they need to eat then.<ref>Yachava Daat 3:40 in the footnote writes that even though the Knesset Hagedola says that someone eating on Tisha B'av that falls out on Sunday should recite Havdalah before they eat on Saturday night doesn't mean that they need to recite Havdalah Saturday night, but rather they should wait until they need to eat and then recite Havdalah.</ref> Others hold that they should initially recite havdalah immediately on Motzei Shabbat.<ref>[https://www.torahanytime.com/#/lectures?v=199132 Rav Yitzchak Yosef (Motzei Shabbat Parshat Matot 5782 min 13-14)] explained that originally his father held that a person should wait until they need to eat before reciting havdalah. However, later after Rav Massas challenged his opinion based on the Knesset Hagedola that indeed the sick person should recite havdalah immediately on Motzei Shabbat. Rav Yitzchak added that this is the preferred option even though she just finished seuda shelishit and is not hungry since it is always ideal to recite havdalah on Motzei Shabbat and not delay. This is reiterated in Yalkut Yosef (Arba Taniyot, 5779 edition, pp. 494-6) and clear in Chazon Ovadia (Arba Taniyot pp. 349-50). See further [https://halachayomit.co.il/he/Default.aspx?HalachaID=629 Halachayomit.co.il] which quotes Rav Ovadia's earlier ruling that a nursing or pregnant woman should wait until chatzot unless she feels very weak or is sick to recite havdalah and eat.</ref> | ||
#It should be emphasized that if one ever must urgently break their fast because of health reasons, one should not recite Havdala first and run the risk of entering a dangerous situation.<ref>Even a situation of "safek pikuach nefesh," when one is unsure if the situation is life-threatening qualifies to allow one to violate whatever is necessary (excluding the 3 cardinal sins) in order to bring a person back to health (see Sanhedrin 74a).</ref> | #It should be emphasized that if one ever must urgently break their fast because of health reasons, one should not recite Havdala first and run the risk of entering a dangerous situation.<ref>Even a situation of "safek pikuach nefesh," when one is unsure if the situation is life-threatening qualifies to allow one to violate whatever is necessary (excluding the 3 cardinal sins) in order to bring a person back to health (see Sanhedrin 74a).</ref> | ||
