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==Fasting== | ==Fasting== | ||
===Who Should Fast?=== | ===Who Should Fast?=== | ||
#A choleh shein bo sakana does not have to fast on Tisha B'av.<ref>[https://www.yutorah.org/sidebar/lecture.cfm/1071122/rabbi-hershel-schachter/hilchos-tisha-b-av/ Rav Hershel Schachter]. His example of a choleh shein bo sakana was someone who is knocked out by the fast and needs to lie in bed all day because of a splitting headache.</ref> | |||
====Healthy Individuals==== | ====Healthy Individuals==== | ||
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====Eating in Increments==== | ====Eating in Increments==== | ||
#Some poskim | #Some poskim hold that if one is exempt from fasting on Tisha B'av, he need not eat in increments.<ref>Sh”t Maharam Shick 289 says that just like on [[Yom Kippur]] the halacha is that if it will not increase the danger by eating in small increments he must do so (Shulchan Aruch O.C. 618:7), the same applies to Tisha B’av. However, Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach (Nishmat Avraham v. 4 554:1), Chazon Ovadia (Arba Taniyot p. 26), [[Shevet Halevi]] 4:46, Tzitz Eliezer 10:25:16, and Rav Elyashiv (Kovetz Teshuvot 1:57) disagree and say this isn’t necessary for Tisha B’av. The Biur Halacha 554:6 quotes the Pitchei Olam who writes that when there is a small concern for Cholera people should only eat in increments so as not to abolish the fast. Shevet Halevi and Rav Elyashiv explain that this is only true for when the question was everyone eating because of a epidemic but in general someone who is sick may eat regularly. </ref> However, one should not overindulge.<ref>Shulchan Aruch OC 554:5, Hagahot Maimaniot Hilchot Taaniyot 1:8 </ref> | ||
====Children==== | ====Children==== | ||
#Children are exempt from fasting | #Children are exempt from fasting, nonetheless they should eat and observe the laws of seuda mafseket.<ref>Or Letzion 3:28:1, [https://www.yutorah.org/sidebar/lecture.cfm/1071122/rabbi-hershel-schachter/hilchos-tisha-b-av/ Rav Hershel Schachter], [https://itorah.com/daily-halacha/lecture/tisha-b-av-the-foods-fish-at-seudat-hamafseket-and-the-seudah-if-one-is-not-fasting-on-tisha-b-av-/3321/7-28-2020 Rabbi Mansour]</ref> Some say that if they're | ||
#A child who has reached the age of chinuch, some say that should wear non-leather shoes on Tisha B'av,<Ref>Chazon Ovadia p. 301</ref> while others hold that they can wear leather shoes.<ref>Or Letzion 3:29:16</ref> | #A child who has reached the age of chinuch, some say that should wear non-leather shoes on Tisha B'av,<Ref>Chazon Ovadia p. 301</ref> while others hold that they can wear leather shoes.<ref>Or Letzion 3:29:16</ref> | ||
#Even if they are younger than chinuch it is a good practice to have them wear non-leather shoes.<Ref>Chazon Ovadia p. 301</ref> | #Even if they are younger than chinuch it is a good practice to have them wear non-leather shoes.<Ref>Chazon Ovadia p. 301</ref> | ||
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==Wearing Leather== | ==Wearing Leather== | ||
#It is prohibited to wear leather shoes on Tisha B'av. <ref>Shulchan Aruch 554:1 and 554:16, Yalkut Yosef Moadim page 577. Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 124:11, Aruch Hashulchan 554:16, Mishna Brurah 554:30 say that although shoes made of other materials cover and protect the feet, they are not called a "minal" and therefore aren't part of the prohibition. </ref> | #It is prohibited to wear leather shoes on Tisha B'av.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 554:1 and 554:16, Yalkut Yosef Moadim page 577. Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 124:11, Aruch Hashulchan 554:16, Mishna Brurah 554:30 say that although shoes made of other materials cover and protect the feet, they are not called a "minal" and therefore aren't part of the prohibition. </ref> Some prohibit any comfortable shoe even if it isn't leather. Sephardim don't have this practice.<ref>[https://www.yutorah.org/sidebar/lecture.cfm/1071122/rabbi-hershel-schachter/hilchos-tisha-b-av/ Rav Hershel Schachter quoted Rav Soloveitchik as reccomending being strict for Rambam, who holds that any comfortable shoe is forbidden. However, Rav Ovadia is lenient.</ref> | ||
#Even those who are more lenient on [[Yom Kippur]] and wear comfortable non leather shoes, should be more stringent on Tisha B’Av as we try to minimize comforts on Tisha B’Av as much as possible. <ref>Halichot Shlomo (ch. 15 no. 5) quoting the | #Even those who are more lenient on [[Yom Kippur]] and wear comfortable non-leather shoes, should be more stringent on Tisha B’Av as we try to minimize comforts on Tisha B’Av as much as possible.<ref>Halichot Shlomo (ch. 15 no. 5) quoting the Shaarei Teshuva 554:11 </ref> | ||
#Some poskim permit wearing crocs, while others prohibit them. <ref>[http://www.ravaviner.com/2009/07/crocs-on-tisha-be-av.html Rav | #Some poskim permit wearing crocs, while others prohibit them.<ref>[http://www.ravaviner.com/2009/07/crocs-on-tisha-be-av.html Rav Shlomo Aviner] says that since crocs are comfortable shoes even though they aren’t leather some, it is better not to wear them, but whoever does has on who to rely. http://matzav.com/rav-elyashiv-crocs-not-permitted-footwear-on-tisha-bav quotes that this is the ruling of Rav Moshe Shternbuch, Rav Nissim Karelitz as well. However, it also quotes Rav Elyashiv that it is prohibited to wear them. </ref> | ||
==Marital Relations== | ==Marital Relations== | ||
#It is prohibited to have marital relations on Tisha B'av. <ref>Shulchan Aruch 554 | #It is prohibited to have marital relations on Tisha B'av.<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 554:1, Yalkut Yosef Moadim page 577. </ref> | ||
#Some poskim say that a husband and wife should be careful not to touch each other. <ref>Mishna Brurah 554:37 raises this possibility but allows for one to be lenient at least during the day | #Some poskim say that a husband and wife should be careful not to touch each other.<ref>Mishna Brurah 554:37 raises this possibility but allows for one to be lenient at least during the day. Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 1 p. 311) is strict. Aruch Hashulchan 554:17 and Taz 615:16 write that one need not be stringent about this at all. Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 124:12 forbids physical contact both in the day and at night. Rav Ovadia (Halichot Olam v. 2 p. 153) permits all harchakot including touching and handing items to your wife on Tisha B'av, as long as she isn't a nidda.</ref> Some say that a husband and wife should even be careful not to pass things Tisha B'av night.<ref>Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 1 p. 311) </ref> | ||
==Working on Tisha B'Av== | ==Working on Tisha B'Av== | ||
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==Sitting on the Floor== | ==Sitting on the Floor== | ||
#During the evening of Tisha B'Av and the morning until chatzot (midday) sitting on a bench or chair is prohibited if it is three tefachim or higher.<ref>Rav Shimon Eider (Halachos of The Three Weeks) pg. 24.</ref> One may sit on a cushion or a low bench or chair.<ref>Mishna Brurah 559:11 </ref> | #During the evening of Tisha B'Av and the morning until chatzot (midday) sitting on a bench or chair is prohibited if it is three tefachim or higher.<ref>Rama 559:3, Rav Shimon Eider (Halachos of The Three Weeks) pg. 24. Shulchan Aruch O.C. 559:3 writes that the minhag is not to sit in a chair applies at night and the morning until the time of mincha (a half hour after chatzot). Yalkut Yosef (Tisha BeAv n. 15) agrees.</ref> One may sit on a cushion or a low bench or chair for someone for whom sitting on the floor is hard.<ref>Mishna Brurah 559:11. Yalkut Yosef Tisha BeAv n. 15 writes that someone old and weak can sit on a chair lower than 3 tefachim. </ref> | ||
#After midday, one should not sit on the floor unless he is reciting kinnot in which case he would still be permitted to sit on the floor.<ref>Nitei Gavriel pg. 393 </ref> | #After midday, one should not sit on the floor unless he is reciting kinnot in which case he would still be permitted to sit on the floor.<ref>Nitei Gavriel pg. 393 </ref> | ||
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===Tisha B'av that Falls Out on Thursday=== | ===Tisha B'av that Falls Out on Thursday=== | ||
#When Tisha B'av falls out on Thursday, it is permitted to launder clothing,shave, take hair cuts, | #When Tisha B'av falls out on Thursday, it is permitted to launder clothing, shave, take hair cuts, bathe, and shower immediately after Tisha B'av in honor of Shabbat.<ref>Magen Avraham 558:1, Mishna Brurah 558:3, Aruch Hashulchan 558:2, and Kaf Hachaim 558:6.</ref> | ||
# | #When Tisha B'av falls out on Thursday, one should not have meat or wine on Friday until Chatzot, like other years.<ref>Aruch Hashulchan 558:2, Chazon Ovadia (Arba Taniyot p. 419), and Piskei Teshuvot 558:4. Chazon Ovadia permits only for tasting the Shabbat food to check if it is prepared properly. Piskei Teshuvot fnt. 20 quotes Rabbi Levi Yitzchak from Barditchiv and Mechzeh Eliyahu who permitted even eating meat immediately after Tisha B'av when Tisha B'av falls out on Thursday.</ref> | ||
#One shouldn't do laundry on Friday except for clothing that is needed for Shabbat.<ref>Piskei Teshuvot 558:4</ref> | #Some poskim hold that one may only shower or bathe immediately after Tisha B'av when it falls out on Thursday if he's doing so to honor Shabbat. However, if he's going to shower or bathe again anyway before Shabbat then he may not shower or bathe immediately after Tisha B'av since that shower or bath isn't to honor Shabbat.<ref>Piskei Teshuvot 558:4 quoting Az Nidbaru 8:40. See Chazon Ovadia (Arba Taniyot p. 417-8) who quotes many who are lenient even for Ashkenazim to shower or shave Friday morning or even immediately after Tisha B'av when it falls out on Thursday in honor of Shabbat. He cites Shelat Yavetz 1:96 who permits Thursday night and Eliya Rabba 559:31 and Kitzur Shulchan Aruch who permit Friday morning. See further in Mechezeh Eliyahu 86, Lhorot Natan 2:38, and Moria (5729 Av p. 69).</ref> | ||
#One shouldn't do laundry on Friday except for clothing that is needed for Shabbat.<ref>Piskei Teshuvot 558:4</ref> Once he's running a load he can add more clothing even ones that aren't necessary for Shabbat.<Ref>Piskei Teshuvot 558 fnt. 19 quoting Shevet Hakehati 3:182</ref> | |||
===Tisha B'av that Falls Out on Shabbat=== | ===Tisha B'av that Falls Out on Shabbat=== | ||
#If Tisha B'av falls out on [[shabbat]] and is pushed to Sunday everything is permitted right after the fast except for eating meat and drinking wine. <ref>Rama OC 558:1. Mishna Brurah 558:4 and Kaf Hachaim OC 558:7 add that some refrain from marital relations on that night unless it is the night of tevila. It is permitted to listen to music right after the fast on Motzei Tisha B’av | #If Tisha B'av falls out on [[shabbat]] and is pushed to Sunday everything including shaving, doing laundry, and bathing is permitted right after the fast except for eating meat and drinking wine.<ref>Rama OC 558:1. Mishna Brurah 558:4 and Kaf Hachaim OC 558:7 add that some refrain from marital relations on that night unless it is the night of tevila.</ref> It is also permitted to listen to music right after the fast on Motzei Tisha B’av when it is delayed.<Ref>Shaar Hatziyun (558:4), Piskei Teshuvot 558:3, [https://outorah.org/p/128155 OU Halacha Yomi quoting Rav Schachter]</ref> | ||
==When Tisha BeAv falls out on Shabbat or Sunday== | ==When Tisha BeAv falls out on Shabbat or Sunday== | ||
===Prohibitions on Shabbat=== | ===Prohibitions on Shabbat=== | ||
#If Tisha B'av falls out on Shabbat, it is pushed off until Sunday and everything that would be forbidden on Tisha B'av is permitted on Shabbat. <ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 554:19, Kaf HaChaim 554:86, Yalkut Yosef 556:1</ref> According to Ashkenazim, some hold that relations are forbidden on Shabbat which is Tisha B'av unless it is her tevilah night.<ref>Rama 554:19. Mishna Brurah 554:40 writes that one can rely on the achronim who hold it is permitted if it is her tevilah night. </ref> On the other hand, according to Sephardim, relations are permitted on Shabbat.<ref>Yalkut Yosef, Kitzur | #If Tisha B'av falls out on Shabbat, it is pushed off until Sunday and everything that would be forbidden on Tisha B'av is permitted on Shabbat. <ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 554:19, Kaf HaChaim 554:86, Yalkut Yosef 556:1</ref> According to Ashkenazim, some hold that relations are forbidden on Shabbat which is Tisha B'av unless it is her tevilah night.<ref>Rama 554:19. Mishna Brurah 554:40 writes that one can rely on the achronim who hold it is permitted if it is her tevilah night. </ref> On the other hand, according to Sephardim, relations are permitted on Shabbat.<ref>Yalkut Yosef, Kitzur Shulchan Aruch, Volume 2, 556:1</ref> | ||
#If Tisha B'av falls out on Shabbat and is pushed off to Sunday, one may eat meat or drink wine on Monday day and not Sunday night. <ref>Rama 558:1, Halachos of the Three Weeks page 32. </ref> According to some poskim, one may even eat meat on Sunday night. <ref>Although the Rama writes that one should not eat meat on Sunday night in such a situation, Rabbi Meir Mazuz in the Ish Matzliach footnotes on the Mishna Brurah note 1, writes that some poskim are lenient. </ref> | #If Tisha B'av falls out on Shabbat and is pushed off to Sunday, one may eat meat or drink wine on Monday day and not Sunday night. <ref>Rama 558:1, Halachos of the Three Weeks page 32. </ref> According to some poskim, one may even eat meat on Sunday night. <ref>Although the Rama writes that one should not eat meat on Sunday night in such a situation, Rabbi Meir Mazuz in the Ish Matzliach footnotes on the Mishna Brurah note 1, writes that some poskim are lenient. </ref> | ||
#If Tisha B'av falls out on Shabbat and is pushed off to Sunday bathing and haircuts are permitted Sunday night.<ref>Halachos of the Three Weeks p. 32 citing Mishna Brurah 558:4</ref> Some say that one shouldn't listen to music until the next day. <ref>Halachos of the Three Weeks p. 32</ref> Others hold that music is permitted even at night.<ref>Piskei Teshuvot 558:3 based on Shaar Hatziyun 558:4 writes that it is permitted to listen to music Sunday night after Tisha B'av since Tisha B'av was delayed. He does quotes Rav Yechiel Michel Tukachinsky and Shevet Hakehati 4:153 who were strict.</ref> | #If Tisha B'av falls out on Shabbat and is pushed off to Sunday bathing and haircuts are permitted Sunday night.<ref>Halachos of the Three Weeks p. 32 citing Mishna Brurah 558:4</ref> Some say that one shouldn't listen to music until the next day. <ref>Halachos of the Three Weeks p. 32</ref> Others hold that music is permitted even at night.<ref>Piskei Teshuvot 558:3 based on Shaar Hatziyun 558:4 writes that it is permitted to listen to music Sunday night after Tisha B'av since Tisha B'av was delayed. He does quotes Rav Yechiel Michel Tukachinsky and Shevet Hakehati 4:153 who were strict.</ref> | ||
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#One may, get a haircut or do laundry immediately on Sunday night. <ref>Mishna Berura 558:4, Nitei Gavriel pg. 553 </ref> | #One may, get a haircut or do laundry immediately on Sunday night. <ref>Mishna Berura 558:4, Nitei Gavriel pg. 553 </ref> | ||
#If Tisha BeAv falls out on Shabbat and is pushed off until Sunday, according to Sephardim, a pregnant woman or woman who is nursing may eat on the fast day. Nonetheless, they should not eat for pleasure.<ref>Biur Halacha 559:9 s.v. veino quoting the Shvut Yaakov 3:37 (cited by Rabbi Akiva Eiger), Rav Ovadia Yosef in Chazon Ovadia (Arba Tzomot, p. 60), Dirshu fnt. 47 citing Rav Yitzchak Zilberstein in Torat Hayoledet 48:4</ref> Most Ashkenazic poskim are strict unless she is in a lot of pain.<Ref>Or Yisrael v. 78 p. 178 quotes Avnei Nezer, Maharash Halevi OC 2, Eshel Avraham, and Hitorerut Teshuva OC 3:353 as holding that a woman who is pregnant or nursing should fast the whole tisha b'av even when it is delayed. Similarly, Minchat Baruch 12:3 fnt. 4 quotes the Bet Meir 659:9, Maharsham in Daat Torah 554:5, and Eshel Avraham 550 as strict. [https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=46440&pgnum=33 Nitai Gavriel 65:3 v. 2 p. 33] writes that a pregnant woman should fast on a delayed tisha b'av unless she is feeling very weak. Halichot Beyta 25:8 writes that only for the first 30 days can a woman who gave birth not fast on a delayed tisha b'av, otherwise she should fast.</ref> | #If Tisha BeAv falls out on Shabbat and is pushed off until Sunday, according to Sephardim, a pregnant woman or woman who is nursing may eat on the fast day. Nonetheless, they should not eat for pleasure.<ref>Biur Halacha 559:9 s.v. veino quoting the Shvut Yaakov 3:37 (cited by Rabbi Akiva Eiger), Rav Ovadia Yosef in Chazon Ovadia (Arba Tzomot, p. 60), Dirshu fnt. 47 citing Rav Yitzchak Zilberstein in Torat Hayoledet 48:4</ref> Most Ashkenazic poskim are strict unless she is in a lot of pain.<Ref>Or Yisrael v. 78 p. 178 quotes Avnei Nezer, Maharash Halevi OC 2, Eshel Avraham, and Hitorerut Teshuva OC 3:353 as holding that a woman who is pregnant or nursing should fast the whole tisha b'av even when it is delayed. Similarly, Minchat Baruch 12:3 fnt. 4 quotes the Bet Meir 659:9, Maharsham in Daat Torah 554:5, and Eshel Avraham 550 as strict. [https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=46440&pgnum=33 Nitai Gavriel 65:3 v. 2 p. 33] writes that a pregnant woman should fast on a delayed tisha b'av unless she is feeling very weak. Halichot Beyta 25:8 writes that only for the first 30 days can a woman who gave birth not fast on a delayed tisha b'av, otherwise she should fast.</ref> | ||
#If Tisha Beav falls out on Shabbat and is pushed off to Sunday then there is a dispute among the poskim as to whether or not a boy who becomes Bar Mitzvah on the 10th of Av is required to fast.<ref>Yalkut Yosef, Kitzur | #If Tisha Beav falls out on Shabbat and is pushed off to Sunday then there is a dispute among the poskim as to whether or not a boy who becomes Bar Mitzvah on the 10th of Av is required to fast.<ref>Yalkut Yosef, Kitzur Shulchan Aruch, Volume 2, 556:9.</ref> | ||
===Havdala for Tisha BeAv that Is Observed on Sunday=== | ===Havdala for Tisha BeAv that Is Observed on Sunday=== | ||
#If Tisha BeAv falls out on [[Shabbat]] and is pushed off to Sunday or if Tisha BeAv falls out on Sunday, the bracha of Boreh Meorei HaEsh upon a fire is made on [[Motzei Shabbat]] before the reading of Eicha (while Boreh Mineh/Isbeh/Atzeh Besamim is omitted | #If Tisha BeAv falls out on [[Shabbat]] and is pushed off to Sunday or if Tisha BeAv falls out on Sunday, the bracha of Boreh Meorei HaEsh upon a fire is made on [[Motzei Shabbat]] before the reading of Eicha (while Boreh Mineh/Isbeh/Atzeh Besamim is omitted), however, the bracha of [[Havdalah]] on a cup of wine is delayed until after Tisha BeAv, Sunday night.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 556:1. Mishna Brurah 556:3 adds that an adult can drink this wine. Yalkut Yosef, Kitzur Shulchan Aruch, Volume 2, 556:8, Yabia Omer, Volume 6, 48:13 agree. </ref> | ||
#An adult who is exempt from fasting should recite [[Havdalah]] on [[Motzei Shabbat]] before eating.<ref>[http://www.dailyhalacha.com/displayRead.asp?readID=2361 Rabbi Mansour on Dailyhalacha.com] quoting Yechave Daat 3:40, Chazon Ovadia (Arba Tzomot, p. 352), Yalkut Yosef, Kitzur | #An adult who is exempt from fasting should recite [[Havdalah]] on [[Motzei Shabbat]] before eating.<ref>Rav Nevinsal in Byitzchak Yikreh 556:2,[http://www.dailyhalacha.com/displayRead.asp?readID=2361 Rabbi Mansour on Dailyhalacha.com] quoting Yechave Daat 3:40, Chazon Ovadia (Arba Tzomot, p. 352), Yalkut Yosef, Kitzur Shulchan Aruch, Volume 2, 556:7, Birkei Yosef OC 556:2. Rav Chaim Kanievsky in a letter to Rav Elyashiv (Kovetz Teshuvot 1:57) quoted Zecher Simcha and Tzafnat Pane'ach that there is no obligation for a sick person to recite havdalah on Tisha BeAv and Rav Elyashiv responded that he follows the Birkei Yosef. Shemirat Shabbat Kehilchata 62:45 writes that Birkei Yosef's ruling only applies to adults who are too ill to fast but a child should not recite [[havdala]] himself then, but should wait until after tisha b'av. See also Az Nidbaru 6:53:4 and Rivevot Efraim 3:371. [https://www.torahanytime.com/#/lectures?v=199132 Rav Yitzchak Yosef (Motzei Shabbat Matot 5782 min 14)] explained that originally Rav Ovadia held that someone who needs to eat on Tisha B'av that is delayed such as a pregnant woman should wait until they need to eat on Sunday to recite havdalah. However, after Rav Massas argued with him based on the Knesset Hagedola that it is better to recite havdala on Motzei Shabbat, the ideal time for Havdala, he changed his opinion.</ref> While typically wine or grape juice is used for Havdala, one should strive to use [[Chamar Medina|chamar medina]], particularly when making Havdala on Tisha BeAv.<ref>Rav Nevinsal in Byitzchak Yikreh 556:2 writes that a person should use Chamar Mdina and not wine when a sick person recites havdalah on Tisha BeAv. He quotes that Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach also held this way. Rav Elyashiv (Kovetz Teshuvot 1:57) agrees. The Griz (on Rambam Hilchot Taniyot cited by Rav Elyashiv) in fact allowed making havdalah on wine itself for a sick person on Tisha BeAv. The basis for this dispute is whether there is a unique prohibition to drink wine on Tisha BeAv or it is part of the regular restrictions of the nine days. | ||
There are two reasons | * Taanit 30b states that anyone who eats meat and drinks wine "on Tisha BeAv" is included in the verse: "And whose iniquities are upon their bones" (Yechezkel 32:27). It is difficult to understand why the Gemara would need to explicitly forbid these items "on" Tisha Be'av as one may not eat anything on Tisha Be'av. (See Rabeinu Chananel who has a different girsa). Rashi therefore explains that this phrase refers to drinking wine or eating meat during the Seuda Mafseket. | ||
Thus, according to the first reason there would be an additional reason to prohibit wine and meat on Tisha BeAv which would even apply to someone who is permitted to break their fast, while according to the second reason there would be no additional reason to prohibit wine or meat on Tisha Beav more than the regular rules that govern the 9 days. | * There are two reasons for why these items would be forbidden during the Seuda Mafseket: 1) These were items typically placed on the mizbeach and therefore we commemorate the loss of the Beit Hamikdash by not eating/drinking them. 2) This meal matches the prohibitions usually observed by an Onen after he loses a relative before the burial (Trumat Ha'deshen). | ||
Therefore, because of this additional concern, some who would typically allow making Havdala on wine during the 9 days would prohibit this on Tisha Be'Av itself and instead require one to use Chamar Medina (Rav Moshe Soloveitchik, oral communication). | * Thus, according to the first reason there would be an additional reason to prohibit wine and meat on Tisha BeAv which would even apply to someone who is permitted to break their fast, while according to the second reason there would be no additional reason to prohibit wine or meat on Tisha Beav more than the regular rules that govern the 9 days. | ||
* Therefore, because of this additional concern, some who would typically allow making Havdala on wine during the 9 days would prohibit this on Tisha Be'Av itself and instead require one to use Chamar Medina (Rav Moshe Soloveitchik, oral communication). The Brisker Rav, however, held that Tisha BeAv is considered like intense mourning after the burial and not an Onen; therefore, he held wine is permitted for havdalah on Tisha BeAv. Rav Elyashiv (Kovetz Teshuvot 1:57) proves from the Or Zaruah that the Brisker Rav is incorrect and Tisha BeAv mimics the practices of Onen. Rav Nevinsal makes the same point based on the Ritva (cited in Bet Yosef 557). | |||
Rav Ovadia (Chazon Ovadia p. 350) has an entirely different approach. He permits someone sick to recite havdalah on wine since it is for a mitzvah and not for pleasure. The gemara Tanit he explains is only relevant to a healthy person eating or drinking on Tisha BeAv for pleasure.</ref> Some hold that it is preferable to use grape juice.<ref>[https://youtu.be/m_BFkLGwzjk Rav Osher Weiss (min 16:05-17:20)]. He explained that nowadays it is questionable to use any drink for chamar mdina (See Rav Elyashiv in Kovetz Teshuvot 1:57) so it is preferable to use grape juice and rely on those who permit it during the nine days and Tisha bav for someone sick. | |||
* Rav Chaim Kanievsky in his letter to Rav Elyashiv asked how it is possible to make havdalah on Tisha BeAv if according to the Chazon Ish there is no Chamar Mdina today. Rav Elyashiv responded that he could use unfermented wine. Rav Ovadia in Chazon Ovadia p. 350 writes that he could use grape juice.</ref> One may fulfill his/her obligation to hear Havdalah even through someone who is making Havdala on Tisha Be'av who is permitted to eat.<ref>Yalkut Yosef 556:7. Chazon Ovadia p. 351 also quotes this from Birkei Yosef 556:3, Zachor Lavraham, Moed Lkol Chai 10:49, Yaskil Avdi 7:36, and Mishneh Halachot 11:455.</ref> | |||
#One who needs to eat on Tisha B'av that falls out on Sunday must recite Havdalah beforehand. Some say that if they're sick they should wait until they need to eat to recite Havdalah and not say it immediately Saturday night unless they need to eat then.<ref>Yachava Daat 3:40 in the footnote writes that even though the Knesset Hagedola says that someone eating on Tisha B'av that falls out on Sunday should recite Havdalah before they eat on Saturday night doesn't mean that they need to recite Havdalah Saturday night, but rather they should wait until they need to eat and then recite Havdalah.</ref> Others hold that they should initially recite havdalah immediately on Motzei Shabbat.<ref>[https://www.torahanytime.com/#/lectures?v=199132 Rav Yitzchak Yosef (Motzei Shabbat Parshat Matot 5782 min 13-14)] explained that originally his father held that a person should wait until they need to eat before reciting havdalah. However, later after Rav Massas challenged his opinion based on the Knesset Hagedola that indeed the sick person should recite havdalah immediately on Motzei Shabbat. Rav Yitzchak added that this is the preferred option even though she just finished seuda shelishit and is not hungry since it is always ideal to recite havdalah on Motzei Shabbat and not delay. This is reiterated in Yalkut Yosef (Arba Taniyot, 5779 edition, pp. 494-6) and clear in Chazon Ovadia (Arba Taniyot pp. 349-50). See further [https://halachayomit.co.il/he/Default.aspx?HalachaID=629 Halachayomit.co.il] which quotes Rav Ovadia's earlier ruling that a nursing or pregnant woman should wait until chatzot unless she feels very weak or is sick to recite havdalah and eat.</ref> | #One who needs to eat on Tisha B'av that falls out on Sunday must recite Havdalah beforehand. Some say that if they're sick they should wait until they need to eat to recite Havdalah and not say it immediately Saturday night unless they need to eat then.<ref>Yachava Daat 3:40 in the footnote writes that even though the Knesset Hagedola says that someone eating on Tisha B'av that falls out on Sunday should recite Havdalah before they eat on Saturday night doesn't mean that they need to recite Havdalah Saturday night, but rather they should wait until they need to eat and then recite Havdalah.</ref> Others hold that they should initially recite havdalah immediately on Motzei Shabbat.<ref>[https://www.torahanytime.com/#/lectures?v=199132 Rav Yitzchak Yosef (Motzei Shabbat Parshat Matot 5782 min 13-14)] explained that originally his father held that a person should wait until they need to eat before reciting havdalah. However, later after Rav Massas challenged his opinion based on the Knesset Hagedola that indeed the sick person should recite havdalah immediately on Motzei Shabbat. Rav Yitzchak added that this is the preferred option even though she just finished seuda shelishit and is not hungry since it is always ideal to recite havdalah on Motzei Shabbat and not delay. This is reiterated in Yalkut Yosef (Arba Taniyot, 5779 edition, pp. 494-6) and clear in Chazon Ovadia (Arba Taniyot pp. 349-50). See further [https://halachayomit.co.il/he/Default.aspx?HalachaID=629 Halachayomit.co.il] which quotes Rav Ovadia's earlier ruling that a nursing or pregnant woman should wait until chatzot unless she feels very weak or is sick to recite havdalah and eat.</ref> | ||
#It should be emphasized that if one ever must urgently break their fast because of health reasons, one should not recite Havdala first and run the risk of entering a dangerous situation.<ref>Even a situation of "safek pikuach nefesh," when one is unsure if the situation is life-threatening qualifies to allow one to violate whatever is necessary (excluding the 3 cardinal sins) in order to bring a person back to health (see Sanhedrin 74a).</ref> | #It should be emphasized that if one ever must urgently break their fast because of health reasons, one should not recite Havdala first and run the risk of entering a dangerous situation.<ref>Even a situation of "safek pikuach nefesh," when one is unsure if the situation is life-threatening qualifies to allow one to violate whatever is necessary (excluding the 3 cardinal sins) in order to bring a person back to health (see Sanhedrin 74a).</ref> | ||
