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# There is a dispute if a clear covering of the challah is sufficient according to the reason that the challah's are covered so as not to be embarrassed by the wine that takes precedence over it.<Ref>Dirshu 271:47 cites Rav Nissim Karelitz (Chut Shani 4:85:18) as holding that it is ineffective and on the other hand, Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach (Shemirat Shabbat Kehilchata ch. 47 fnt. 116) as holding that it is sufficient. Tiferet 271:60 cites Yalkut Yosef p. 351 as lenient.</ref> | # There is a dispute if a clear covering of the challah is sufficient according to the reason that the challah's are covered so as not to be embarrassed by the wine that takes precedence over it.<Ref>Dirshu 271:47 cites Rav Nissim Karelitz (Chut Shani 4:85:18) as holding that it is ineffective and on the other hand, Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach (Shemirat Shabbat Kehilchata ch. 47 fnt. 116) as holding that it is sufficient. Tiferet 271:60 cites Yalkut Yosef p. 351 as lenient.</ref> | ||
# The challah's should be on the table before Kiddush and covered. They shouldn't be brought to the table after Kiddush.<Ref>Aruch Hashulchan 271:22 explains that if the challah's are brought are the kiddush then it satisfies the reason of the Yerushalmi since the bread didn't see its embarrassment by reciting kiddush on wine before the bread. However, in terms of the Bavli's reason the bread has to be set up before the kiddush in order that it be ready for kavod Shabbat and not brought afterwards. Avnei Darech 13:53 citing Sefer Mitzvot Zmaniyot (Student of the Rosh), Chatom Sofer on SA OC 262, Minchat Yitzchak 3:13:10-11, The Radiance of Shabbos p. 40, and Shemirat Shabbat Kehilchata 47:24 agree.</reF> Others, however, hold that it isn't necessary to bring the challah to the table before Kiddush and indeed it is preferable to bring it afterwards.<ref>Gra in Maaseh Rav 118, Ach Tov Vchesed 1:10, Avnei Derech 13:53 citing Rav Nevinsal (Yerushalayim Bmoadeha Shabbat v. 2 p. 104), Halichot Shabbat v. 1 p. 45, and Divrei Shalom 4:101:4. See Mpeninei Harav p. 84. | # The challah's should be on the table before Kiddush and covered. They shouldn't be brought to the table after Kiddush.<Ref>Aruch Hashulchan 271:22 explains that if the challah's are brought are the kiddush then it satisfies the reason of the Yerushalmi since the bread didn't see its embarrassment by reciting kiddush on wine before the bread. However, in terms of the Bavli's reason the bread has to be set up before the kiddush in order that it be ready for kavod Shabbat and not brought afterwards. Avnei Darech 13:53 citing Sefer Mitzvot Zmaniyot (Student of the Rosh), Chatom Sofer on SA OC 262, Minchat Yitzchak 3:13:10-11, The Radiance of Shabbos p. 40, and Shemirat Shabbat Kehilchata 47:24 agree.</reF> Others, however, hold that it isn't necessary to bring the challah to the table before Kiddush and indeed it is preferable to bring it afterwards.<ref>Gra in Maaseh Rav 118, Ach Tov Vchesed 1:10, Avnei Derech 13:53 citing Rav Nevinsal (Yerushalayim Bmoadeha Shabbat v. 2 p. 104), Halichot Shabbat v. 1 p. 45, and Divrei Shalom 4:101:4. See Mpeninei Harav p. 84. | ||
* Can one leave the challah's on a warming tray until after kiddush? 1) According to the Yerushalmi's reason to cover the challah's, namely, so as not to embarrass the bread, it is better for the challah to be off the table than on the table covered. 2) In terms of the reason that the challah's are like the maan and should be covered, it is sufficient to cover them for Hamotzei alone, see Mishna Brurah 271:41. 3) For the reason of the Rashbam and Tosfot Pesachim 100b that the bread should be covered so that it appears to be brought out for kavod Shabbat and not sitting on the table beforehand, it seems that it would be better not to be on the table at all until after kidush. Tosfot justified the practice to bring the challah to the table and covering them since we have big tables that aren't possible to set in another room and bring after kiddush, however, still it is best not to bring it to the table at all. This is the approach of the Gra and others cited above.</ref> The minhag follows the first opinion.<ref>Avnei Darech 13:53</ref> Nonetheless, all agree that it is permitted to switch the challah's after kiddush before hamotzei with another challah that wasn't on the table at the time of kiddush, such as with a challah that was heating up.<ref>Rivevot Efraim 2:115:79 cited by Avnei Darech 13:53</ref> | * Can one leave the challah's on a warming tray until after kiddush? 1) According to the Yerushalmi's reason to cover the challah's, namely, so as not to embarrass the bread, it is better for the challah to be off the table than on the table covered. 2) In terms of the reason that the challah's are like the maan and should be covered, it is sufficient to cover them for Hamotzei alone, see Mishna Brurah 271:41. 3) For the reason of the Rashbam and Tosfot Pesachim 100b that the bread should be covered so that it appears to be brought out for kavod Shabbat and not sitting on the table beforehand, it seems that it would be better not to be on the table at all until after kidush. Tosfot justified the practice to bring the challah to the table and covering them since we have big tables that aren't possible to set in another room and bring after kiddush, however, still it is best not to bring it to the table at all. This is the approach of the Gra and others cited above.</ref> The minhag follows the first opinion.<ref>Shemirat Shabbat Kehilchata 47:22, Avnei Darech 13:53</ref> Nonetheless, all agree that it is permitted to switch the challah's after kiddush before hamotzei with another challah that wasn't on the table at the time of kiddush, such as with a challah that was heating up.<ref>Rivevot Efraim 2:115:79 cited by Avnei Darech 13:53</ref> | ||
==Having two loaves of Challah== | ==Having two loaves of Challah== | ||
