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#It is permitted to buy stocks and it isn't considered ribbit since it is an investment.<ref>Malveh Hashem 2:13:29 p. 169 writes that buying a stock is an investment in the company and has risk. Therefore, there is no question of interest.</ref> | #It is permitted to buy stocks and it isn't considered ribbit since it is an investment.<ref>Malveh Hashem 2:13:29 p. 169 writes that buying a stock is an investment in the company and has risk. Therefore, there is no question of interest. Marechet Hashulchan Ribbit p. 417 agrees.</ref> | ||
# Short selling is a violation of borrowing commodities with interest. This type of transaction between two Jews is forbidden since the leniencies of borrowing commodities, namely, having a fixed market price that endures for a long time or having a position in that the stock one is short selling, are inapplicable.<ref>[https://traditiononline.org/short-selling-and-jewish-law/ Rav Aharon Levine (Tradition Spring 2010 pp. 67-71)] explains that short selling involves borrowing a commodity which is repaid with that commodity and not merely a cash loan. The commodities in this case are the stocks being sold short. Since the marketplace price is in flux constantly that doesn't permit the seah b'seah transaction. Additionally, the fact that selling outside the box is illegal prevents a person from shorting a position he already owns stock in. Therefore, it isn't possible for someone to have the stocks that he is borrowing while doing a short sell.</ref> For a Jewish marketplace this is a serious issue because either way there is an interest charge for borrowing the stocks for the time. Therefore, these issues need to be solved with a heter iska.<ref> [https://www.toraland.org.il/%D7%A9%D7%90%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%95%D7%AA%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%91%D7%95%D7%AA/%D7%9B%D7%9C%D7%9B%D7%9C%D7%94-%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%A4%D7%98/%D7%9B%D7%9C%D7%9B%D7%9C%D7%94-%D7%95%D7%94%D7%9C%D7%9B%D7%94/%D7%9E%D7%9B%D7%99%D7%A8%D7%94-%D7%91%D7%97%D7%A1%D7%A8/ toraland.org.il] cites Torat Ribbit 17:33 that since stocks don't represent ownership of the company it isn't considered ribbit or seah bseah. However, since there's a payment of interest for the value of the stocks that is certainly considered interest and requires a heter iska.</ref> | # Short selling is a violation of borrowing commodities with interest. This type of transaction between two Jews is forbidden since the leniencies of borrowing commodities, namely, having a fixed market price that endures for a long time or having a position in that the stock one is short selling, are inapplicable.<ref>[https://traditiononline.org/short-selling-and-jewish-law/ Rav Aharon Levine (Tradition Spring 2010 pp. 67-71)] explains that short selling involves borrowing a commodity which is repaid with that commodity and not merely a cash loan. The commodities in this case are the stocks being sold short. Since the marketplace price is in flux constantly that doesn't permit the seah b'seah transaction. Additionally, the fact that selling outside the box is illegal prevents a person from shorting a position he already owns stock in. Therefore, it isn't possible for someone to have the stocks that he is borrowing while doing a short sell.</ref> For a Jewish marketplace this is a serious issue because either way there is an interest charge for borrowing the stocks for the time. Therefore, these issues need to be solved with a heter iska.<ref> [https://www.toraland.org.il/%D7%A9%D7%90%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%95%D7%AA%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%91%D7%95%D7%AA/%D7%9B%D7%9C%D7%9B%D7%9C%D7%94-%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%A4%D7%98/%D7%9B%D7%9C%D7%9B%D7%9C%D7%94-%D7%95%D7%94%D7%9C%D7%9B%D7%94/%D7%9E%D7%9B%D7%99%D7%A8%D7%94-%D7%91%D7%97%D7%A1%D7%A8/ toraland.org.il] cites Torat Ribbit 17:33 that since stocks don't represent ownership of the company it isn't considered ribbit or seah bseah. However, since there's a payment of interest for the value of the stocks that is certainly considered interest and requires a heter iska.</ref> | ||
# Buying stocks on margin is forbidden if the brokerage is Jewish since it is lending to the investor money to be able to buy the shares and charging them interest for that loan. This is Biblical interest, but it can be permitted with a heter iska.<ref>Laws of Interest 1:25, Mishnat Ribbit p. 62</ref> A regular heter iska doesn't work for this case.<ref>Mishnat Ribbit p. 62</ref> | # Buying stocks on margin is forbidden if the brokerage is Jewish since it is lending to the investor money to be able to buy the shares and charging them interest for that loan. This is Biblical interest, but it can be permitted with a heter iska.<ref>Laws of Interest 1:25, Mishnat Ribbit p. 62</ref> A regular heter iska doesn't work for this case.<ref>Mishnat Ribbit p. 62</ref> | ||
