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# It is forbidden to lend another Jew money in order that he give the interest to a non-Jew.<ref>Shulchan Aruch Y.D. 168:1</ref> | # It is forbidden to lend another Jew money in order that he give the interest to a non-Jew.<ref>Shulchan Aruch Y.D. 168:1</ref> | ||
# It is permitted for a Jew to borrow from a non-Jew even if afterwards the non-Jew gives the interest to a Jew.<ref>Shulchan Aruch Y.D. 168:4</ref> | # It is permitted for a Jew to borrow from a non-Jew even if afterwards the non-Jew gives the interest to a Jew.<ref>Shulchan Aruch Y.D. 168:4</ref> | ||
# It is forbidden for a Jew to arrange with a non-Jew to lend your money to him in order that he lend it to another Jew with interest.<ref>Rashba teshuva 3:243 writes that it is forbidden to lend your money to him in order that he lend it to another Jew with interest since that is a mere legal fiction and is considered taking interest. Also, there is a concept of shelichut for a non-Jew to be considered a shelichut for purposes of being strict. That is, the rabbis view this transaction as though the non-Jew is an agent of the Jews and it is a loan between two Jews. Shulchan Aruch Y.D. 168:5 rule like the Rashba. The Shach 168:10 points out that the Rama would agree as well. Malveh Hashem 1:5:12 agrees. However, the Netivot Shalom argues at length that the Rama never accepted this approach of the Rashba who expanded the concept of legal fictions for ribbit. The entire concept of Rabbenu Tam who allowed having a non-Jewish agent to arrange the loan with interest or Rashi's opinion who allowed a Jewish agent to arrange the loan with interest, both of which are cited by the Rama indicate that he was not concerned with the expansions of the Rashba. This is further supported by the fact that the Rama 168:5 implies that the reason for Shulchan Aruch is completely other than the reason of making a legal fiction out of taking interest. Netivot Shalom extends this discussion to that of using a heter iska and the Gra's opinion that it violates haramat ribbit.</ref> | |||
#If the lender didn't know about the fact that the borrower appointed the non-Jew to borrow for him from a Jew with interest he can keep the interest and some allow him to even collect the interest once it was arranged.<ref> | |||
* Derisha 168:4 explains that it is absolutely forbidden for the lender to make the borrower pay the interest since it is forbidden for the borrower to pay it, however, it already happened then the lender can keep it. | |||
* Shach 168:17 argues that it is permitted for the lender to make the borrower pay the interest since it was done without his knowledge and in such a case it isn't really forbidden for the borrower with respect to the lender. Chelkat Binyamin 168:55 and 57 rules like the Shach and explains that once the lender wasn't aware of the appointment of the non-Jew by the borrower it isn't forbidden for the borrower to pay the interest. The only aspect that was forbidden is the arrangement of the loan. | |||
* Netivot Shalom 168:7:6 writes that the Teshuvat Ri doesn't imply like the Derisha at all. Netivot Shalom 168:7:6 reads the Bet Yosef in accordance with the Derisha. However, the Chelkat Binyamin (168 Tziyunim 136) argues that the Bet Yosef held like the Shach.</ref> | |||
==Paying for the Fees and Other Losses of the Lender== | ==Paying for the Fees and Other Losses of the Lender== | ||
