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* What is measure of 4 amot? Kavod VeHiddur pg 63 quotes Hadar Zekenim 1 note 15 that one doesn't need to measure 4 amot to be strict for shach but it's enough to stand where it seems like 4 amot. | * What is measure of 4 amot? Kavod VeHiddur pg 63 quotes Hadar Zekenim 1 note 15 that one doesn't need to measure 4 amot to be strict for shach but it's enough to stand where it seems like 4 amot. | ||
* When does the chiyuv end? S”A 244:2,9 based on Rambam says the chiyuv ends when they're no longer in front of one's face. Bach 244:5 based on Rashi says that one should be strict to continue to stand until they leave one's 4 amot. Shach 244:7 quotes this. Kavod VeHiddur pg 65 note 69 writes that there's no chiluk between elder and talmid chacham for this halacha. Birkei Yosef 244:12 holds like S”A.</ref> | * When does the chiyuv end? S”A 244:2,9 based on Rambam says the chiyuv ends when they're no longer in front of one's face. Bach 244:5 based on Rashi says that one should be strict to continue to stand until they leave one's 4 amot. Shach 244:7 quotes this. Kavod VeHiddur pg 65 note 69 writes that there's no chiluk between elder and talmid chacham for this halacha. Birkei Yosef 244:12 holds like S”A.</ref> | ||
# One should stand for one's Rebbe Muvhak once he enters one's eyesight until he leaves one's eyesight.<ref>Shulchan Aruch YD 242:16</ref> A Rebbe Muvhak is defined as a teacher that one learned a majority of one's learning from.<ref>Gemara Bava Metsia 33a, Shulchan Aruch YD 242:30</ref> | # One should stand for one's Rebbe Muvhak once he enters one's eyesight until he leaves one's eyesight.<ref>Shulchan Aruch YD 242:16. Ran (Kiddushin 14a s.v. kemelo aynav) says that the reason that one needs to say for one’s rav muvhak when he sees him is because it is evident that one is standing in honor of one’s rebbe even though he is far away. The Rambam (Mamrim 6:3 as understood by the Griz Talmud Torah 5:11) says that one standing as far as one can see one’s rav muvhak because there’s an additional obligation of honoring him just like one honor’s parent, which is different than the regular obligation to stand for a talmid chacham. </ref> A Rebbe Muvhak is defined as a teacher that one learned a majority of one's learning from.<ref>Gemara Bava Metsia 33a, Shulchan Aruch YD 242:30</ref> | ||
# A Gadol HaDor is considered like one's Rebbe Muvhak even if one didn't learn from him.<ref> S”A YD 244:10 </ref> | # A Gadol HaDor is considered like one's Rebbe Muvhak even if one didn't learn from him.<ref> S”A YD 244:10 </ref> | ||
