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==Standing for a Talmid Chacham== | ==Standing for a Talmid Chacham== | ||
# There is a positive mitzvah | # There is a positive mitzvah to stand for a Talmid Chacham who is more knowledgeable in Torah than most people and not simply a Yeshiva Bachur. <ref> S”A 244:1 rules that it is a positive mitzvah to stand for a Talmid Chacham. Shach 244:2 explains that only a Talmid Chacham who is wiser than most people is considered a Talmid Chacham for this halacha. This is quoted by Baeir Heitev 244:2, Chaye Adam 69:1, and Aruch HaShulchan 244:4. Avnei Yashfeh 188:1 writes that certainly there is no obligation to stand for a yeshiva bachur. Yalkut Yosef YD 244:16 writes that one has to stand only for a Talmid Chacham who knows how to give psak in even haezer and choshen mishpat and not just someone learning in kollel. </ref> | ||
# One should stand for a Talmid Chacham once he enters one's 4 amot until he leaves one's view.<ref>S"A YD 244:2</ref> | |||
# One should stand for one's Rebbe Muvhak once he enters one's eyesight until he leaves one's eyesight.<ref>S"A YD 242:16</ref> A Gadol HaDor is considered like one's Rebbe Muvhak even if one didn't learn from him.<ref> S”A YD 244:10 </ref> | |||
==Details of Standing Up== | ==Details of Standing Up== | ||
# For an elder or Talmid Chacham, one should stand up completely, not just partially.<ref> Tur 244, Taz 244:4, Gra 244:11, Chaye Adam 69:4, Kavod Vehiddur p. 64, and Sh”t Yabia Omer 3:13 write that one should stand completely for an elder just like one stands completely for a Talmid Chacham. This is in opposition to Aruch HaShulchan 244:10-2 who defends the minhag to stand partially for an elder. See also Teshuvot VeHanhagot YD 3:279 who is seems to agree. </ref> One should stand from the time the elder or Talmid Chacham enters one's 4 [[amot]] until he passes from before one's face; some say that one should stand until the elder or Talmid Chacham leaves one's 4 [[amot]]. <ref> S”A 244:2 rules that one should stand once the Talmid Chacham or elder enter one's 4 [[amot]]. Shach 244:6 adds that it is forbidden to stand before a Talmid Chacham enters one's 4 [[amot]] because there is no presentation of respect by standing at that distance. Birkei Yosef 244:11 and Chaye Adam 69:3 agree. Kavod VeHiddur p. 63 writes that this applies equally to an elder and a Talmid Chacham. Sh”t Yabia Omer 4:16 agrees, rejecting the Ben Ish Chai Ki Teitzei 13 who says that once the elder enters the room, one should stand, as the whole room is considered like 4 [[amot]]. Kavod VeHiddur p. 63 quotes Hadar Zekenim (chap 1, note 15) that one doesn't need to measure 4 [[amot]]; it's enough to stand where it seems like 4 [[amot]]. | # For an elder or Talmid Chacham, one should stand up completely, not just partially.<ref> Tur 244, Taz 244:4, Gra 244:11, Chaye Adam 69:4, Kavod Vehiddur p. 64, and Sh”t Yabia Omer 3:13 write that one should stand completely for an elder just like one stands completely for a Talmid Chacham. This is in opposition to Aruch HaShulchan 244:10-2 who defends the minhag to stand partially for an elder. See also Teshuvot VeHanhagot YD 3:279 who is seems to agree. </ref> One should stand from the time the elder or Talmid Chacham enters one's 4 [[amot]] until he passes from before one's face; some say that one should stand until the elder or Talmid Chacham leaves one's 4 [[amot]]. <ref> S”A 244:2 rules that one should stand once the Talmid Chacham or elder enter one's 4 [[amot]]. Shach 244:6 adds that it is forbidden to stand before a Talmid Chacham enters one's 4 [[amot]] because there is no presentation of respect by standing at that distance. Birkei Yosef 244:11 and Chaye Adam 69:3 agree. Kavod VeHiddur p. 63 writes that this applies equally to an elder and a Talmid Chacham. Sh”t Yabia Omer 4:16 agrees, rejecting the Ben Ish Chai Ki Teitzei 13 who says that once the elder enters the room, one should stand, as the whole room is considered like 4 [[amot]]. Kavod VeHiddur p. 63 quotes Hadar Zekenim (chap 1, note 15) that one doesn't need to measure 4 [[amot]]; it's enough to stand where it seems like 4 [[amot]]. | ||
