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*It’s possible that this is the intention of the [https://www.sefaria.org/Ohr_Zarua%2C_Volume_II.369.1?ven=hebrew|Ohr_Zarua,_Zhytomyr,_1862&lang=he&with=all&lang2=he Ohr Zarua Volume II #369] (even though in [https://www.sefaria.org/Ohr_Zarua%2C_Volume_I.184.1?ven=hebrew|Ohr_Zarua,_Zhytomyr,_1862&lang=he Ohr Zarua Volume I #184] he seems to side with the opinions that women are ''always'' exempt from zimmun, it seems that his arguments here that women can’t be motzi men in zimmun are independent of his conclusion there.) | *It’s possible that this is the intention of the [https://www.sefaria.org/Ohr_Zarua%2C_Volume_II.369.1?ven=hebrew|Ohr_Zarua,_Zhytomyr,_1862&lang=he&with=all&lang2=he Ohr Zarua Volume II #369] (even though in [https://www.sefaria.org/Ohr_Zarua%2C_Volume_I.184.1?ven=hebrew|Ohr_Zarua,_Zhytomyr,_1862&lang=he Ohr Zarua Volume I #184] he seems to side with the opinions that women are ''always'' exempt from zimmun, it seems that his arguments here that women can’t be motzi men in zimmun are independent of his conclusion there.) | ||
*Implication of the Rashbetz on Brachot 45a s.v. נשים ועבדים וקטנים אין מזמנין עליהן (quoted in [https://tablet.otzar.org/#/book/634498/p/75/t/1/fs/0/start/0/end/0/c Tzror Hachaim on Rambam Hilchot Brachot 5:1, printed in Osaf Medarshei Harambam edition pf Tzror Hachaim on page 75 s.v. שוב ראיתי] and in [https://beta.hebrewbooks.org/reader/reader.aspx?sfid=55918#p=774&fitMode=fitwidth&hlts=&ocr=%D7%A9%D7%90%D7%A0%D7%99%20%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%9B%D7%AA%20%D7%96%D7%99%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%9F Meir Oz vol. 8 page 764]), who contrasts the pritzut of combining men and women to make a zimmun to a woman being '''''motzi''''' men in other mitzvot. Seemingly, he would not allow a woman to be '''''motzi''''' men in zimmun. | |||
*Implication of [https://beta.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=32520&st=&pgnum=144&hilite= Yad Haketana (Hilchot Brachot 9:15 footnote 71-73)] as understood by [https://www.sefaria.org/Biur_Halacha.199.7.3?vhe=Biur_Halacha&lang=bi Beiur Halacha (199:7 s.v. veyotz’ot)]. <small>(In footnote 71 he says the reason women are obligated in zimmun only when eating with 3 men is in order to show that women can't be motzi men in birkat hamazon deoraita; in footnote 72 he says a group of 3 women can't break off from a group of 3 men to make their own zimmun, rather they must be yotzei with the men's zimmun; in footnote 73 he says that women are not allowed to respond to the men's zimmun out loud, in order that it should not look like the men and women are in one group for zimmun.)</small> | *Implication of [https://beta.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=32520&st=&pgnum=144&hilite= Yad Haketana (Hilchot Brachot 9:15 footnote 71-73)] as understood by [https://www.sefaria.org/Biur_Halacha.199.7.3?vhe=Biur_Halacha&lang=bi Beiur Halacha (199:7 s.v. veyotz’ot)]. <small>(In footnote 71 he says the reason women are obligated in zimmun only when eating with 3 men is in order to show that women can't be motzi men in birkat hamazon deoraita; in footnote 72 he says a group of 3 women can't break off from a group of 3 men to make their own zimmun, rather they must be yotzei with the men's zimmun; in footnote 73 he says that women are not allowed to respond to the men's zimmun out loud, in order that it should not look like the men and women are in one group for zimmun.)</small> | ||
