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# Magnets are not [[muktzeh]] on [[Shabbat]].<ref> Tiltulei [[Shabbat]] (pg 32) </ref> Some hold that it is permissible to attach things using a magnet.<ref> [http://thehalacha.com/wp-content/uploads/Vol3Issue14.pdf Halachically Speaking] in the name of Rav Yisrael Belsky </ref> Others disagree and say that it is an issue of [[tofer]].<ref> [http://thehalacha.com/wp-content/uploads/Vol3Issue14.pdf Halachically Speaking] quoting Rav Elyashiv from Sefer Migdal Dovid page 599:footnote 28 </ref> | # Magnets are not [[muktzeh]] on [[Shabbat]].<ref> Tiltulei [[Shabbat]] (pg 32) </ref> Some hold that it is permissible to attach things using a magnet and it is not considered tofer.<ref> [http://thehalacha.com/wp-content/uploads/Vol3Issue14.pdf Halachically Speaking] in the name of Rav Yisrael Belsky. Rav Pesach Eliyahu Pollack (Kol Torah v. 92 pp. 49-50) held that it is not tofer to use put together magnets or a magnet onto metal on Shabbat. His reason is that the Yerushalmi says that there's no kore'ah with something that's hard. Similarly, reasons Rabbi Pollack there's no tofer with hard substances. He explains that tofer is about combining two items into one unit and with hard items that doesn't happen. He adds that it is also permitted to use magnets to hold together two papers (between two magnets). He explains that we never find tofer where the force of connection is on the outside of the materials being connected. Rav Nissim Karelitz (Chut Shani Shabbat v. 1 p. 135) also permits using magnets on Shabbat. He explains that the items themselves don't stick together. They are just held together by a magnetic force. </ref> Others disagree and say that it is an issue of [[tofer]].<ref> [http://thehalacha.com/wp-content/uploads/Vol3Issue14.pdf Halachically Speaking] quoting Rav Elyashiv from Sefer Migdal Dovid page 599:footnote 28 </ref> | ||
#Making pictures and words with magnets on a board is a major dispute whether that is considered writing, [[Kotaiv]], and is forbidden or not.<ref>39 Melachos v. 3 p. 951 forbids placing magnets on a board since it is considered like writing. However, [https://dinonline.org/2010/12/26/magnets-on-shabbos/ Rabbi Pfeffer] permits kids using magnets to make a design or drawing. Dor Hamelaktim v. 6 p. 3674 quotes Rav Moshe Feinstein (Mesoret Moshe v. 1 n. 153, Rishumei Aharon 340:3), Rav Shlomo Zalman (Shulchan Shlomo 340:35), and Rav Elyashiv (Shvut Yitzchak v. 13 p. 23) as strict unlike Minchat Ish 22 fnt. 45 as lenient. [[Asicha_Hilchos_Shabbos_Part_2| Rav Mordechai Willig (Asicha Shabbos 2 p. 5)]] permits playing with magnets and even placing letter magnets on a background and it is not considered kotaiv.</ref> | #Making pictures and words with magnets on a board is a major dispute whether that is considered writing, [[Kotaiv]], and is forbidden or not.<ref>39 Melachos v. 3 p. 951 forbids placing magnets on a board since it is considered like writing. However, [https://dinonline.org/2010/12/26/magnets-on-shabbos/ Rabbi Pfeffer] permits kids using magnets to make a design or drawing. Dor Hamelaktim v. 6 p. 3674 quotes Rav Moshe Feinstein (Mesoret Moshe v. 1 n. 153, Rishumei Aharon 340:3), Rav Shlomo Zalman (Shulchan Shlomo 340:35), and Rav Elyashiv (Shvut Yitzchak v. 13 p. 23) as strict unlike Minchat Ish 22 fnt. 45 as lenient. [[Asicha_Hilchos_Shabbos_Part_2| Rav Mordechai Willig (Asicha Shabbos 2 p. 5)]] permits playing with magnets and even placing letter magnets on a background and it is not considered kotaiv.</ref> | ||
