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*Bottom line: Vezot Habracha (Birur Halacha ch. 21 p. 269) writes that based on the above opinions there are several conditions to fulfill in order that the bracha be HaAdama: (A) It must be common to cook that vegetable (Rashba), (B) One's intent is to cook the vegetables to eat them and not just the water (Sh"t HaRosh), (C) The water must have absorbed the flavor of the vegetable (Rosh). (D) Majority of that type of vegetable is cooked and not eaten raw (Rashba). If one of these four conditions are lacking the bracha is shehakol. He cites Rav Pinchas Sheinberg that condition D is necessary. However, Halachos of [[Brachos]] (Rabbi Pinchas Bodner, chapter 23, pg 434, note 16) only requires conditions A, B, and C. The Laws of [[Brachos]] (chap 11, pg 329) only requires conditions A and B.</ref> However, Sephardim and some Ashkenazim hold that vegetable soup is [[Shehakol]] unless one also eats the vegetables. <ref>*VeZot HaBracha (chap 12, pg 119) rules that the vegetable soup which doesn't have vegetables in it are [[Shehakol]] because it doens't have a strong flavor like the soups which Chazal spoke about. | *Bottom line: Vezot Habracha (Birur Halacha ch. 21 p. 269) writes that based on the above opinions there are several conditions to fulfill in order that the bracha be HaAdama: (A) It must be common to cook that vegetable (Rashba), (B) One's intent is to cook the vegetables to eat them and not just the water (Sh"t HaRosh), (C) The water must have absorbed the flavor of the vegetable (Rosh). (D) Majority of that type of vegetable is cooked and not eaten raw (Rashba). If one of these four conditions are lacking the bracha is shehakol. He cites Rav Pinchas Sheinberg that condition D is necessary. However, Halachos of [[Brachos]] (Rabbi Pinchas Bodner, chapter 23, pg 434, note 16) only requires conditions A, B, and C. The Laws of [[Brachos]] (chap 11, pg 329) only requires conditions A and B.</ref> However, Sephardim and some Ashkenazim hold that vegetable soup is [[Shehakol]] unless one also eats the vegetables. <ref>*VeZot HaBracha (chap 12, pg 119) rules that the vegetable soup which doesn't have vegetables in it are [[Shehakol]] because it doens't have a strong flavor like the soups which Chazal spoke about. | ||
*Raah Brachot 39a argues on the Rif that vegetables soups are haadama that they are all shehakol just like fruit juices. He explains that the gemara meant that the bracha on the vegetable exempts the water but the water itself would have just been shehakol. Kaf HaChaim 205:11 rules that one should recite a shehakol because of the opinion of the Raah. Or Letzion 14:31 agrees. Similarly, Chazon Ovadyah ([[Brachot]] pg 164) holds that it's preferable to be concerned for the opinion of the Raah and make [[Shehakol]] on vegetables soup, however, if one made HaAdama on the actual vegetable it covers the liquid as well. [The Laws of [[Brachos]] (chap 11, pg 329-330) writes that if one eats the liquid without the vegetables or a minor amount of vegetables the liquid is primary, however, if one also eats the vegetables in the soup the Bracha is HaAdama on the vegetables and that also covers the liquid as well.]</ref> | *Raah Brachot 39a argues on the Rif that vegetables soups are haadama that they are all shehakol just like fruit juices. He explains that the gemara meant that the bracha on the vegetable exempts the water but the water itself would have just been shehakol. Kaf HaChaim 205:11 rules that one should recite a shehakol because of the opinion of the Raah. Or Letzion 14:31 agrees. Similarly, Chazon Ovadyah ([[Brachot]] pg 164) holds that it's preferable to be concerned for the opinion of the Raah and make [[Shehakol]] on vegetables soup, however, if one made HaAdama on the actual vegetable it covers the liquid as well. [The Laws of [[Brachos]] (chap 11, pg 329-330) writes that if one eats the liquid without the vegetables or a minor amount of vegetables the liquid is primary, however, if one also eats the vegetables in the soup the Bracha is HaAdama on the vegetables and that also covers the liquid as well.]</ref> | ||
===Vegetable Soup with Meat=== | |||
#Vegetable soup with a lot of vegetables and a little chicken or meat is haadama.<ref>Mishna Brurah 205:13, Rivevot Efraim 1:151:9, Piskei Teshuvot 205:7, Vezot Habracha p. 117 fnt. 8 quoting Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach and Rav Tzvi Weber</ref> Regarding chicken soup with vegetables see further. | |||
===Carrot Soup=== | ===Carrot Soup=== | ||
