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# If one’s primary intent is for the barley (and soup (as is common) one should make [[Mezonot]] and Al Hamichya (if one ate a [[Kezayit]] of barley). <ref>The Chaye Adam 54:16 writes that the discussion of the Magan Avraham whether or not to make [[Mezonot]] or [[Shehakol]] on the liquid in barley soup that is only where one only drank the water and not the barley but if one ate the barley certainly one makes [[Mezonot]] on the barley and that covers the water. The Mishna Brurah 205:11 and Kaf HaChaim 205:11 agree. Therefore, Halachos of [[Brachos]] (Rabbi Bodner, chap 23, pg 436) writes that on barley vegetable soup one should make [[Mezonot]] even if there are more vegetables than barley. Similarly, Laws of [[Brachos]] (chap 7, pg 220) writes that if one’s primary intent is for the barley one should make [[Mezonot]]. </ref>

# However, if there’s a small amount of barley and the soup is almost clear, then on the soup one should make [[Shehakol]] and on the barley one should make [[Mezonot]]. Some say to make the [[Shehakol]] and then the [[Mezonot]] and others disagree. <ref>* The Magan Avraham 205:6 concludes that if one only added a little barley and the water is almost clear then certainly the water isn’t [[mezonot]] and so one should make [[Shehakol]] on the water and [[Mezonot]] on the barley. The Netiv Chaim and Yad Efrayim (on the Magan Avraham 205:6) edit the text of the Magan Avraham and write that one should make [[Mezonot]] on the barley and then [[Shehakol]] on the water because [[Mezonot]] always precedes [[Shehakol]]. However, the Chaye Adam 54:16 copies the language of the Magan Avraham and in Nishmat Avraham (at the end of Siman 54) he explains that perhaps it’s based on a doubt that perhaps the [[Mezonot]] on the barley would cover the water and so one should switch the usual order. Nonetheless, the Chaye Adam concludes that it’s preferable to make [[Mezonot]] on the barley and then [[Shehakol]] on something else (in order to maintain the correct order and avoid all doubt). The Mishna Brurah 205:11 quotes the Chaye Adam that one should make [[Mezonot]] on the barley and then [[Shehakol]] on the soup, but it’s preferable to make [[Shehakol]] on something else. [Mishna Brurah in 208:23 writes the same halacha.] Laws of [[Brachos]] (Rabbi Forst, pg 220, and 385, note 4) agrees with the Mishna Brurah.<br>* However, Sh”t Igrot Moshe 1:69 agrees with the Netiv Chaim and Yad Efraim that one should make [[Mezonot]] first and then [[Shehakol]] on the soup but it’s preferable to make [[Shehakol]] on something else like the Chaye Adam. Halachos of [[Brachos]] (Rabbi Bodner, chap 23, pg 436, note k) writes like the Chaye Adam that one should make [[Mezonot]] on the barley and then [[Shehakol]] on another item. </ref>

# If one only drinks the broth of the soup the Bracha is [[Shehakol]]. <ref> According to many opinions (see below) one should make [[Mezonot]] on a barley and then [[Shehakol]] on a food which is [[Shehakol]]. <br>* In Gemara [[Brachot]] 39a, Rav Papa says that water of cooked vegetables is HaAdama just like the Bracha of the cooked vegetables itself. The Bet Yosef 205:2 quotes the Sh”t HaRosh 4:15 who says that the water is only the same Bracha as the vegetable when one’s primary intent is to cook the vegetables. The Darkei Moshe 205:2 explains that the Rambam ([[Brachot]] 8:4) holds that it must be that the water is normally drunk, and in this case is made to be drunk. The Magan Avraham 205:6 says that according to the Rambam since [[mezonot]] grain (for example pearl barley) isn’t usually cooked in water in order to drink the water the Bracha on the water would be [[Shehakol]], however, according to the Rosh since one’s primary intent is to cook the barley, the Bracha on the water would be [[Mezonot]]. The Chaye Adam 54:16 writes that because of this dispute one should make [[Mezonot]] on the barley and [[Shehakol]] on another food and eat enough of the barley and enough of the other food in order that one could make Al Hamichya and Borei Nefashot. The Mishna Brurah 205:11 concurs. However, the Kaf HaChaim 205:11 writes that because of the dispute one should simply make [[Shehakol]]. </ref>