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# Many Ashkenazic poskim hold that whether one is eating the vegetables in the soup or just the liquid the bracha is the same as the actual vegetable which in most cases is HaAdama. (For background on topic see footnote.) <ref> | # Many Ashkenazic poskim hold that whether one is eating the vegetables in the soup or just the liquid the bracha is the same as the actual vegetable which in most cases is HaAdama. (For background on topic see footnote.) <ref> | ||
* In Gemara [[Brachot]] (39a) Rav Papa says that water of cooked vegetables is HaAdama just like the Bracha of the cooked vegetables itself. | * In Gemara [[Brachot]] (39a) Rav Papa says that water of cooked vegetables is HaAdama just like the Bracha of the cooked vegetables itself. | ||
* The Rishonim deal with the question of why liquids which vegetables were cooked in are HaAdama while fruit juice is [[Shehakol]] ([[Brachot]] 38b, | * The Rishonim deal with the question of why liquids which vegetables were cooked in are HaAdama while fruit juice is [[Shehakol]] ([[Brachot]] 38b, Shulchan Aruch 202:8). (1) The Rabbenu Yonah ([[Brachot]] 27b s.v. VeMaya) answers that [[squeezing]] fruit makes the fruit worse while [[cooking]] improves the vegetable. (2) The Rosh ([[Brachot]] 6:18) differentiates that fruit juices don’t taste like the fruit itself but the liquid of a cooked vegetable tastes like the vegetable itself and so it’s HaAdama. (3) The Rashba ([[Brachot]] 38a) writes that vegetables were mostly used for [[cooking]] (and so the bracha is HaAdama), however, the majority of fruit isn't planted in order to be squeezed and so the bracha is [[Shehakol]]. The Tur 205:2 and Shulchan Aruch 205:2 both use the same differentiation of the Rosh. | ||
* The Rishonim also put different limitations on when this halacha applies. (1) The Sh"t HaRosh 4:15 says that the water is only the same Bracha as the vegetable when one’s primary intent is to cook and eat the vegetables. (2) The Rambam ([[Brachot]] 8:4) holds that it must be that vegetables are usually cooked and one is [[cooking]] the vegetables in order to drink the liquid. | * The Rishonim also put different limitations on when this halacha applies. (1) The Sh"t HaRosh 4:15 says that the water is only the same Bracha as the vegetable when one’s primary intent is to cook and eat the vegetables. (2) The Rambam ([[Brachot]] 8:4) holds that it must be that vegetables are usually cooked and one is [[cooking]] the vegetables in order to drink the liquid. | ||
* Bottom line: Halachos of [[Brachos]] (Rabbi Pinchas Bodner, chapter 23, pg 434, note 16) writes that based on the above opinions there are several conditions to fulfill in order that the bracha be HaAdama: 1)It must be common to cook that vegetable, 2)One's intent is to cook the vegetables to eat them (and not just the water), 3)The water must have absorbed the flavor of the vegetable. The Laws of [[Brachos]] (chap 11, pg 329) in general agrees that if the soup is cooked in order to eat the vegetables and soups the Bracha is HaAdama. </ref> However, Sephardim and some Ashkenazim hold that vegetable soup is [[Shehakol]] unless one also eats the vegetables. see also Rivivot Ephraim 1:151:9 <ref> | * Bottom line: Halachos of [[Brachos]] (Rabbi Pinchas Bodner, chapter 23, pg 434, note 16) writes that based on the above opinions there are several conditions to fulfill in order that the bracha be HaAdama: 1)It must be common to cook that vegetable, 2)One's intent is to cook the vegetables to eat them (and not just the water), 3)The water must have absorbed the flavor of the vegetable. The Laws of [[Brachos]] (chap 11, pg 329) in general agrees that if the soup is cooked in order to eat the vegetables and soups the Bracha is HaAdama. </ref> However, Sephardim and some Ashkenazim hold that vegetable soup is [[Shehakol]] unless one also eats the vegetables. see also Rivivot Ephraim 1:151:9 <ref> | ||
