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* The Rishonim deal with the question of why liquids which vegetables were cooked in are HaAdama while fruit juice is [[Shehakol]] ([[Brachot]] 38b, S"A 202:8). (1) The Rabbenu Yonah ([[Brachot]] 27b s.v. VeMaya) answers that [[squeezing]] fruit makes the fruit worse while [[cooking]] improves the vegetable. (2) The Rosh ([[Brachot]] 6:18) differentiates that fruit juices don’t taste like the fruit itself but the liquid of a cooked vegetable tastes like the vegetable itself and so it’s HaAdama. (3) The Rashba ([[Brachot]] 38a) writes that vegetables were mostly used for [[cooking]] (and so the bracha is HaAdama), however, the majority of fruit isn't planted in order to be squeezed and so the bracha is [[Shehakol]]. The Tur 205:2 and Shulchan Aruch 205:2 both use the same differentiation of the Rosh. | * The Rishonim deal with the question of why liquids which vegetables were cooked in are HaAdama while fruit juice is [[Shehakol]] ([[Brachot]] 38b, S"A 202:8). (1) The Rabbenu Yonah ([[Brachot]] 27b s.v. VeMaya) answers that [[squeezing]] fruit makes the fruit worse while [[cooking]] improves the vegetable. (2) The Rosh ([[Brachot]] 6:18) differentiates that fruit juices don’t taste like the fruit itself but the liquid of a cooked vegetable tastes like the vegetable itself and so it’s HaAdama. (3) The Rashba ([[Brachot]] 38a) writes that vegetables were mostly used for [[cooking]] (and so the bracha is HaAdama), however, the majority of fruit isn't planted in order to be squeezed and so the bracha is [[Shehakol]]. The Tur 205:2 and Shulchan Aruch 205:2 both use the same differentiation of the Rosh. | ||
* The Rishonim also put different limitations on when this halacha applies. (1) The Sh"t HaRosh 4:15 says that the water is only the same Bracha as the vegetable when one’s primary intent is to cook and eat the vegetables. (2) The Rambam ([[Brachot]] 8:4) holds that it must be that vegetables are usually cooked and one is [[cooking]] the vegetables in order to drink the liquid. | * The Rishonim also put different limitations on when this halacha applies. (1) The Sh"t HaRosh 4:15 says that the water is only the same Bracha as the vegetable when one’s primary intent is to cook and eat the vegetables. (2) The Rambam ([[Brachot]] 8:4) holds that it must be that vegetables are usually cooked and one is [[cooking]] the vegetables in order to drink the liquid. | ||
* Bottom line: Halachos of [[Brachos]] (Rabbi Pinchas Bodner, chapter 23, pg 434, note 16) writes that based on the above opinions there are several conditions to fulfill in order that the bracha be HaAdama: 1)It must be common to cook that vegetable, 2)One's intent is to cook the vegetables to eat them (and not just the water), 3)The water must have absorbed the flavor of the vegetable. The Laws of [[Brachos]] (chap 11, pg 329) in general agrees that if the soup is cooked in order to eat the vegetables and soups the Bracha is HaAdama. </ref> However, Sephardim and some Ashkenazim hold that vegetable soup is [[Shehakol]] unless one also eats the vegetables. <ref> | * Bottom line: Halachos of [[Brachos]] (Rabbi Pinchas Bodner, chapter 23, pg 434, note 16) writes that based on the above opinions there are several conditions to fulfill in order that the bracha be HaAdama: 1)It must be common to cook that vegetable, 2)One's intent is to cook the vegetables to eat them (and not just the water), 3)The water must have absorbed the flavor of the vegetable. The Laws of [[Brachos]] (chap 11, pg 329) in general agrees that if the soup is cooked in order to eat the vegetables and soups the Bracha is HaAdama. </ref> However, Sephardim and some Ashkenazim hold that vegetable soup is [[Shehakol]] unless one also eats the vegetables. see also Rivivot Ephraim 1:151:9 <ref> | ||
* VeZot HaBracha (chap 12, pg 119) rules that the vegetable soup which doesn't have vegetables in it are [[Shehakol]] because it doens't have a strong flavor like the soups which Chazal spoke about. | * VeZot HaBracha (chap 12, pg 119) rules that the vegetable soup which doesn't have vegetables in it are [[Shehakol]] because it doens't have a strong flavor like the soups which Chazal spoke about. | ||
* Kaf HaChaim 205:11 because of the opinion of the Raah says that one should always make [[Shehakol]] unless one eats the vegetable and the liquid is secondary. Or Letzion 14:31 agrees. Similarly, Chazon Ovadyah ([[Brachot]] pg 164) holds that it's preferable to be concerned for the opinion of the Raah and make [[Shehakol]] on vegetables soup, however, if one made HaAdama on the actual vegetable it covers the liquid as well. [The Laws of [[Brachos]] (chap 11, pg 329-330) writes that if one eats the liquid without the vegetables or a minor amount of vegetables the liquid is primary, however, if one also eats the vegetables in the soup the Bracha is HaAdama on the vegetables and that also covers the liquid as well.] </ref> | * Kaf HaChaim 205:11 because of the opinion of the Raah says that one should always make [[Shehakol]] unless one eats the vegetable and the liquid is secondary. Or Letzion 14:31 agrees. Similarly, Chazon Ovadyah ([[Brachot]] pg 164) holds that it's preferable to be concerned for the opinion of the Raah and make [[Shehakol]] on vegetables soup, however, if one made HaAdama on the actual vegetable it covers the liquid as well. [The Laws of [[Brachos]] (chap 11, pg 329-330) writes that if one eats the liquid without the vegetables or a minor amount of vegetables the liquid is primary, however, if one also eats the vegetables in the soup the Bracha is HaAdama on the vegetables and that also covers the liquid as well.] </ref> | ||
