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On [[Pesach]], at the [[Seder]], we are required to eat a festive meal, named [[Shulchan Orech]]. It is the tenth order of the [[Seder]]
 
==General==
 
==General==
# We are obligated to eat a festive meal with delicious foods and fancy dishes like on every other [[Yom Tov]] night, each according to his means. (Rambam 7:8, Yalkut Yosef Moadim pg. 406)
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# We are obligated to eat a festive meal with delicious foods and fancy dishes like on every other [[Yom Tov]] night, each according to his means. <ref> Rambam 7:8, Yalkut Yosef Moadim pg. 406</ref>
# One must ensure not to eat or drink too much during the meal, as Halacha requires eating the Afikoman after the meal with an appetite and also he may come to fall asleep too quickly (Rama 476:1 based on Maharil, Mishna Berura 476:6-7, Chazon Ovadia chelek 2: page 103).
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# One must ensure not to eat or drink too much during the meal, as Halacha requires eating the Afikoman after the meal with an appetite and also he may come to fall asleep too quickly <ref> Rama 476:1 based on Maharil, Mishna Berura 476:6-7, Chazon Ovadia Chelek 2: page 103</ref>
 
==Leaning==
 
==Leaning==
 
# It is praiseworthy to lean during Shulchan Orech, but there's no obligation.<ref>Chazon Ovadyah (vol 2, p. 103)</ref>
 
# It is praiseworthy to lean during Shulchan Orech, but there's no obligation.<ref>Chazon Ovadyah (vol 2, p. 103)</ref>
# If one chooses to eat while reclining he should certainly be careful not to talk because of the danger, unless it is about Yetziat Mitzrayim, in which case the mitzvah will protect from harm. <ref>The Prisha (O.C. 170) comments that although the gemara forbids talking while eating because of a danger of choking, that was only in talmudic times when they would lean while eating. Ben Ish Chai (Behar n. 5) and Birkei Yosef 170:1 agree and say that if one is leaning the the danger of choking would apply. If one isn’t leaning this wouldn’t apply. However, Rav Chaim Palachi (Zechira LaChaim v. 2 p. 6) says that if one speaks of the exodus, the merit will protect him from any harm. Chazon Ovadia (v. 2 p. 105) agrees. </ref>
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# If one chooses to eat while reclining he should certainly be careful not to talk because of the danger, unless it is about Yetziat Mitzrayim, in which case the Mitzvah will protect from harm. <ref>The Prisha (O.C. 170) comments that although the Gemara forbids talking while eating because of a danger of choking, that was only in Talmudic times when they would lean while eating. Ben Ish Chai (Behar n. 5) and Birkei Yosef 170:1 agree and say that if one is leaning the the danger of choking would apply. If one isn’t leaning this wouldn’t apply. However, Rav Chaim Palachi (Zechira LaChaim v. 2 p. 6) says that if one speaks of the exodus, the merit will protect him from any harm. Chazon Ovadia (v. 2 p. 105) agrees. </ref>
 
==Minhagim About Certain Foods==
 
==Minhagim About Certain Foods==
# There is a minhag to eat a hard boiled (or roasted) egg during Shulchan Orech. <ref>Rama 476:2 writes that there's a minhag to eat an egg at the [[seder]] in commemoration of [[mourning]] the temple because we can't bring the korban [[pesach]]. Nitei Gavriel (vol 2, 95:1) writes that it's better to have a hard boiled egg than a roasted one.</ref>
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# There is a Minhag to eat a hard boiled (or roasted) egg during Shulchan Orech. <ref>Rama 476:2 writes that there's a minhag to eat an egg at the [[Seder]] in commemoration of [[mourning]] the temple because we can't bring the Korban [[Pesach]]. Nitei Gavriel (vol 2, 95:1) writes that it's better to have a hard boiled egg than a roasted one.</ref>
# There's a minhag to eat fish at the [[seder]] like other Yamim Tovim.<Ref>Nitei Gavriel (vol 2, 95:12) </ref>
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# There's a Minhag to eat fish at the [[Seder]] like other [[Yom tov|Yamim Tovim]].<Ref>Nitei Gavriel (vol 2, 95:12) </ref>
# Some have minhag not to dip any foods during Shulchan Orech so as not to dip more than two foods at the [[seder]] ([[Karpas]] and [[Maror]]).<ref>Rama 476:2, Nitei Gavriel (vol 2, 95:14) </ref>
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# Some have Minhag not to dip any foods during Shulchan Orech so as not to dip more than two foods at the [[Seder]] ([[Karpas]] and [[Maror]]).<ref>Rama 476:2, Nitei Gavriel (vol 2, 95:14) </ref>
 
# It is permitted to drink wine during Shulchan Orech.<ref>S"A 473:3</ref>
 
# It is permitted to drink wine during Shulchan Orech.<ref>S"A 473:3</ref>
==Roasted foods at the seder==
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==Roasted foods at the [[Seder]]==
# The minhag is not to eat roasted meat at the [[seder]]. <Ref>Chazon Ovadyah (vol 2, p. 103)</ref>
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# The Minhag is not to eat roasted meat at the [[Seder]]. <Ref>Chazon Ovadyah (vol 2, p. 103)</ref>
# If the Zroah (shankbone) was roasted it is forbidden to eat it at the [[seder]]. However, if the Zroah was cooked it may be eaten. <Ref> Chazon Ovadyah (vol 2, p. 103). Chayei adam 130:6 says that even if one is not eating the zeroah at night it shouldn't be discarded  because this would be a disgrace to the mitzva. </ref>
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# If the Zroah (shankbone) was roasted it is forbidden to eat it at the [[Seder]]. However, if the Zroah was cooked in another way it may be eaten. <Ref> Chazon Ovadyah (vol 2, p. 103). Chayei Adam 130:6 says that even if one is not eating the Zroah at night it shouldn't be discarded  because this would be a disgrace to the Mitzvah. </ref>
 
# It is permitted to eat a roasted egg <ref> Chazon Ovadyah (vol 2, p. 103) </ref> as well as roasted fish. <ref> Mishna Brurah 476:9 </ref>  
 
# It is permitted to eat a roasted egg <ref> Chazon Ovadyah (vol 2, p. 103) </ref> as well as roasted fish. <ref> Mishna Brurah 476:9 </ref>  
# Pot roast is considered like roast for this halacha. However a food that was cooked after it was roasted is considered like it was cooked. <Ref> Chazon Ovadyah (vol 2, p. 103), Mishna Brurah 476:1, Kaf Hachayim 476:4 Baer Heitev 476:1. If it is roasted after being cooked Mishna Brurah and Kaf Hachayim says that one shouldn't be lenient based on the Peri [[Chadash]] quoted by the Baer Heitev and Shaar Hatziyun 476:2, but if he is a little bit sick he can be lenient. </ref>
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# Pot roasting is considered as ordinary roasting for this Halacha. However, a food that was cooked after it was roasted is not considered roasted. <Ref> Chazon Ovadyah (vol 2, p. 103), Mishna Brurah 476:1, Kaf Hachayim 476:4 Baer Heitev 476:1. If it is roasted after being cooked Mishna Brurah and Kaf Hachayim says that one shouldn't be lenient based on the Peri [[Chadash]] quoted by the Baer Heitev and Shaar Hatziyun 476:2, but if he is a little bit sick he can be lenient. </ref>
 
#Broiled liver shouldn't be eaten. <ref> Aruch Hashulchan 476:4 </ref>  
 
#Broiled liver shouldn't be eaten. <ref> Aruch Hashulchan 476:4 </ref>  
 
==Sources==
 
==Sources==

Revision as of 17:51, 21 March 2014

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On Pesach, at the Seder, we are required to eat a festive meal, named Shulchan Orech. It is the tenth order of the Seder

General

  1. We are obligated to eat a festive meal with delicious foods and fancy dishes like on every other Yom Tov night, each according to his means. [1]
  2. One must ensure not to eat or drink too much during the meal, as Halacha requires eating the Afikoman after the meal with an appetite and also he may come to fall asleep too quickly [2]

Leaning

  1. It is praiseworthy to lean during Shulchan Orech, but there's no obligation.[3]
  2. If one chooses to eat while reclining he should certainly be careful not to talk because of the danger, unless it is about Yetziat Mitzrayim, in which case the Mitzvah will protect from harm. [4]

Minhagim About Certain Foods

  1. There is a Minhag to eat a hard boiled (or roasted) egg during Shulchan Orech. [5]
  2. There's a Minhag to eat fish at the Seder like other Yamim Tovim.[6]
  3. Some have Minhag not to dip any foods during Shulchan Orech so as not to dip more than two foods at the Seder (Karpas and Maror).[7]
  4. It is permitted to drink wine during Shulchan Orech.[8]

Roasted foods at the Seder

  1. The Minhag is not to eat roasted meat at the Seder. [9]
  2. If the Zroah (shankbone) was roasted it is forbidden to eat it at the Seder. However, if the Zroah was cooked in another way it may be eaten. [10]
  3. It is permitted to eat a roasted egg [11] as well as roasted fish. [12]
  4. Pot roasting is considered as ordinary roasting for this Halacha. However, a food that was cooked after it was roasted is not considered roasted. [13]
  5. Broiled liver shouldn't be eaten. [14]

Sources

  1. Rambam 7:8, Yalkut Yosef Moadim pg. 406
  2. Rama 476:1 based on Maharil, Mishna Berura 476:6-7, Chazon Ovadia Chelek 2: page 103
  3. Chazon Ovadyah (vol 2, p. 103)
  4. The Prisha (O.C. 170) comments that although the Gemara forbids talking while eating because of a danger of choking, that was only in Talmudic times when they would lean while eating. Ben Ish Chai (Behar n. 5) and Birkei Yosef 170:1 agree and say that if one is leaning the the danger of choking would apply. If one isn’t leaning this wouldn’t apply. However, Rav Chaim Palachi (Zechira LaChaim v. 2 p. 6) says that if one speaks of the exodus, the merit will protect him from any harm. Chazon Ovadia (v. 2 p. 105) agrees.
  5. Rama 476:2 writes that there's a minhag to eat an egg at the Seder in commemoration of mourning the temple because we can't bring the Korban Pesach. Nitei Gavriel (vol 2, 95:1) writes that it's better to have a hard boiled egg than a roasted one.
  6. Nitei Gavriel (vol 2, 95:12)
  7. Rama 476:2, Nitei Gavriel (vol 2, 95:14)
  8. S"A 473:3
  9. Chazon Ovadyah (vol 2, p. 103)
  10. Chazon Ovadyah (vol 2, p. 103). Chayei Adam 130:6 says that even if one is not eating the Zroah at night it shouldn't be discarded because this would be a disgrace to the Mitzvah.
  11. Chazon Ovadyah (vol 2, p. 103)
  12. Mishna Brurah 476:9
  13. Chazon Ovadyah (vol 2, p. 103), Mishna Brurah 476:1, Kaf Hachayim 476:4 Baer Heitev 476:1. If it is roasted after being cooked Mishna Brurah and Kaf Hachayim says that one shouldn't be lenient based on the Peri Chadash quoted by the Baer Heitev and Shaar Hatziyun 476:2, but if he is a little bit sick he can be lenient.
  14. Aruch Hashulchan 476:4