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# If the Shaliach Tzibbur makes a mistake in Chazara and forgets to say an addition has the same halacha as in individual who forgets that addition. The one exception to this is that if the Shaliach Tzibbur forgets to say [[Yaaleh VeYavo]] on Rosh Chodesh in Shacharit and he has completed the Chazarat HaShatz he does not have to repeat it. However, if he remembers before the end of the Chazara he should go back to Retzeh and add in [[Yaaleh VeYavo]]. <Ref> | # If the Shaliach Tzibbur makes a mistake in Chazara and forgets to say an addition has the same halacha as in individual who forgets that addition. The one exception to this is that if the Shaliach Tzibbur forgets to say [[Yaaleh VeYavo]] on [[Rosh Chodesh]] in Shacharit and he has completed the Chazarat HaShatz he does not have to repeat it. However, if he remembers before the end of the Chazara he should go back to Retzeh and add in [[Yaaleh VeYavo]]. <Ref> | ||
* The Gemara Brachot 30b quotes a Briatta which says that if one forgets to say [[Yaaleh VeYavo]] at Shacharit one doesn’t have to repeat Shemonah Esrei because one could make it up at Mussaf. | * The Gemara Brachot 30b quotes a Briatta which says that if one forgets to say [[Yaaleh VeYavo]] at Shacharit one doesn’t have to repeat Shemonah Esrei because one could make it up at Mussaf. | ||
* Rashi (30b D”H BeTzibbur) explains that the Gemara is discussing an individual who forgot to say [[Yaaleh VeYavo]] in Shacharit and the reason he doesn’t have to repeat it is because he will hear [[Yaaleh VeYavo]] from the Shaliach Tzibbur in the Chazara. The Tur 126 asks on this explanation because seemingly it doesn’t fit back into the words of the Gemara. | * Rashi (30b D”H BeTzibbur) explains that the Gemara is discussing an individual who forgot to say [[Yaaleh VeYavo]] in Shacharit and the reason he doesn’t have to repeat it is because he will hear [[Yaaleh VeYavo]] from the Shaliach Tzibbur in the Chazara. The Tur 126 asks on this explanation because seemingly it doesn’t fit back into the words of the Gemara. | ||
* Bahag (quoted by Rashi above) explains that the Gemara is discussing a Shaliach Tzibbur who forgot to say [[Yaaleh VeYavo]] in the Chazara of Shacharit and the reason he doesn’t have to repeat is because there would be an inconvenience to the congregation to make them hear another Chazara rather it’s enough that they will mention Rosh Chodesh in Mussaf. This explanation is brought in the Rif (Brachot 21a), Rabbenu Yonah (Brachot 21a D”H UbeTzibbur), Rosh (Brachot 4:23), and Rambam (Tefillah 10:12). This is the basis for the ruling of Tur and S”A 126:3. | * Bahag (quoted by Rashi above) explains that the Gemara is discussing a Shaliach Tzibbur who forgot to say [[Yaaleh VeYavo]] in the Chazara of Shacharit and the reason he doesn’t have to repeat is because there would be an inconvenience to the congregation to make them hear another Chazara rather it’s enough that they will mention [[Rosh Chodesh]] in Mussaf. This explanation is brought in the Rif (Brachot 21a), Rabbenu Yonah (Brachot 21a D”H UbeTzibbur), Rosh (Brachot 4:23), and Rambam (Tefillah 10:12). This is the basis for the ruling of Tur and S”A 126:3. | ||
* The Bet Yosef 126:3 quotes a response of Rashi which says that the only case where one doesn’t repeat is if one finished the Chazara however, if one didn’t finish Chazara it’s not considered a bother to congregation to return to [[Yaaleh VeYavo]]. This is the ruling of S”A 126:3. | * The Bet Yosef 126:3 quotes a response of Rashi which says that the only case where one doesn’t repeat is if one finished the Chazara however, if one didn’t finish Chazara it’s not considered a bother to congregation to return to [[Yaaleh VeYavo]]. This is the ruling of S”A 126:3. | ||
* The Rosh (Brachot 4:23) explains that this leniency only applies to Shacharit because the congregation will say Mussaf immediately afterwards as opposed to forgetting in Mussaf where it’s not sufficient not to repeat and depend on mentioning Rosh Chodesh in Mincha because Mincha is not said immediately afterwards. | * The Rosh (Brachot 4:23) explains that this leniency only applies to Shacharit because the congregation will say Mussaf immediately afterwards as opposed to forgetting in Mussaf where it’s not sufficient not to repeat and depend on mentioning [[Rosh Chodesh]] in Mincha because Mincha is not said immediately afterwards. | ||
* However, the Smag (quoted by Tur 126:3) says that it also applies to Mussaf; if the Shaliach Tzibbur didn’t mention Rosh Chodesh in the Chazara of Mussaf then he is not obligated to return because he can make it up in Mincha. However, the Tur argues strongly that this is not found in the Gemara. The Bet Yosef 126:3 quotes the Smag saying that this actually was one version of the text of the Gemara, nonetheless, the Bet Yosef concludes that we hold like the Tur because that is the text of the Rosh 4:23, Rif 21a, and Rambam 10:12. The S”A 126:3 rules like the Tur that there’s no leniency by Mussaf. | * However, the Smag (quoted by Tur 126:3) says that it also applies to Mussaf; if the Shaliach Tzibbur didn’t mention [[Rosh Chodesh]] in the Chazara of Mussaf then he is not obligated to return because he can make it up in Mincha. However, the Tur argues strongly that this is not found in the Gemara. The Bet Yosef 126:3 quotes the Smag saying that this actually was one version of the text of the Gemara, nonetheless, the Bet Yosef concludes that we hold like the Tur because that is the text of the Rosh 4:23, Rif 21a, and Rambam 10:12. The S”A 126:3 rules like the Tur that there’s no leniency by Mussaf. | ||
* [Actually, our version of the Gemara says that the same is true of forgetting [[Yaaleh VeYavo]] in Mariv and Mussaf because one could make it up in Shacharit and Mincha, respectively. However, Tosfot 30b writes that the version which extends this idea to Mariv is incorrect because the later Gemara gives a different reason why one who forgets to say [[Yaaleh VeYavo]] at Mariv doesn’t have to repeat Shemonah Esrei. Additionally, Hagot HaGra (ibid.) writes that the Rif and the other poskim don’t have the text which extends this idea beyond Shacharit.] </ref> | * [Actually, our version of the Gemara says that the same is true of forgetting [[Yaaleh VeYavo]] in Mariv and Mussaf because one could make it up in Shacharit and Mincha, respectively. However, Tosfot 30b writes that the version which extends this idea to Mariv is incorrect because the later Gemara gives a different reason why one who forgets to say [[Yaaleh VeYavo]] at Mariv doesn’t have to repeat Shemonah Esrei. Additionally, Hagot HaGra (ibid.) writes that the Rif and the other poskim don’t have the text which extends this idea beyond Shacharit.] </ref> | ||
# The same is true if on [[Shabbat]] or [[Yom Tov]], meaning that if the Shaliach Tzibbur doesn’t mention any reference to [[Shabbat]] or [[Yom Tov]] in Chazara of Shacharit, but rather says a Chazara of a weekday Shacharit. If he completed the Chazara he doesn’t have to repeat. However, if the Shaliach Tzibbur remembered before the end of Chazara he should return to the beginning of Yismach Moshe (on [[Shabbat]]) or Atta Bechartanu (on [[Yom Tov]]). <ref> | # The same is true if on [[Shabbat]] or [[Yom Tov]], meaning that if the Shaliach Tzibbur doesn’t mention any reference to [[Shabbat]] or [[Yom Tov]] in Chazara of Shacharit, but rather says a Chazara of a weekday Shacharit. If he completed the Chazara he doesn’t have to repeat. However, if the Shaliach Tzibbur remembered before the end of Chazara he should return to the beginning of Yismach Moshe (on [[Shabbat]]) or Atta Bechartanu (on [[Yom Tov]]). <ref> | ||
* For background see above footnote. The Smak (quoted by the Tur 126:3) writes that the leniency of the Gemara, that if the Shaliach Tzibbur forgets to mention Rosh Chodesh in Chazara of Shacharit on Rosh Chodesh he doesn’t have to repeat the Shemonah Esrei applies equally to [[Shabbat]] and [[Yom Tov]]. [The Mishna Brurah 126:14 explains the case is that the Shaliach Tzibbur said a Chazara of a weekday Shacharit in place of [[Shabbat]] or [[Yom Tov]].] The Tur agreed with the Smak. The Rama 126:3 rules like the Smak. The Mishna Brurah 126:15 writes that even though some argue the halacha follows the Rama. | * For background see above footnote. The Smak (quoted by the Tur 126:3) writes that the leniency of the Gemara, that if the Shaliach Tzibbur forgets to mention [[Rosh Chodesh]] in Chazara of Shacharit on [[Rosh Chodesh]] he doesn’t have to repeat the Shemonah Esrei applies equally to [[Shabbat]] and [[Yom Tov]]. [The Mishna Brurah 126:14 explains the case is that the Shaliach Tzibbur said a Chazara of a weekday Shacharit in place of [[Shabbat]] or [[Yom Tov]].] The Tur agreed with the Smak. The Rama 126:3 rules like the Smak. The Mishna Brurah 126:15 writes that even though some argue the halacha follows the Rama. | ||
* However, the Smag (quoted by the Tur 126:3) and Bet Yosef 126:3 based on the language of the Gemara and Rambam disagree and say that the leniency of the Gemara is limited to Rosh Chodesh and doesn’t apply to [[Shabbat]] and [[Yom Tov]]. Nonetheless, Kaf HaChaim 126:19 writes that if the Shaliach Tzibbur finished the Chazara one may rely on the Rama because of delaying the congregation. </ref> | * However, the Smag (quoted by the Tur 126:3) and Bet Yosef 126:3 based on the language of the Gemara and Rambam disagree and say that the leniency of the Gemara is limited to [[Rosh Chodesh]] and doesn’t apply to [[Shabbat]] and [[Yom Tov]]. Nonetheless, Kaf HaChaim 126:19 writes that if the Shaliach Tzibbur finished the Chazara one may rely on the Rama because of delaying the congregation. </ref> | ||
# A Shaliach Tzibbur who makes a mistake and skipped a Bracha of Shemonah Esrei (in Chazarat HaShatz) and when he is corrected he returns to where he made the mistake, he should continue to be Shaliach Tzibbur. However, if he skipped Birkat HaMinim (VeLamalshinim) the Shaliach Tzibbur should be removed immediately because there’s a fear that he is a heretic. <Ref>Tur and S”A 126:1 </ref> | # A Shaliach Tzibbur who makes a mistake and skipped a Bracha of Shemonah Esrei (in Chazarat HaShatz) and when he is corrected he returns to where he made the mistake, he should continue to be Shaliach Tzibbur. However, if he skipped Birkat HaMinim (VeLamalshinim) the Shaliach Tzibbur should be removed immediately because there’s a fear that he is a heretic. <Ref>Tur and S”A 126:1 </ref> | ||
# A Shaliach Tzibbur who makes a mistake and skipped a Bracha of Shemonah Esrei (in Chazarat HaShatz) and when he is corrected he is unable to return to where he made the mistake, another Shaliach Tzibbur should take his place. The next one should begin from the beginning of the Bracha where the mistake happened and if the mistake happened in the first three Brachot of Shemonah Esrei the Shaliach Tzibbur should begin from the beginning of Shemonah Esrei and if it was in the last three Brachot of Shemonah Esrei he should begin from Retzeh. <Ref> Tur and S”A 126:1 </ref> | # A Shaliach Tzibbur who makes a mistake and skipped a Bracha of Shemonah Esrei (in Chazarat HaShatz) and when he is corrected he is unable to return to where he made the mistake, another Shaliach Tzibbur should take his place. The next one should begin from the beginning of the Bracha where the mistake happened and if the mistake happened in the first three Brachot of Shemonah Esrei the Shaliach Tzibbur should begin from the beginning of Shemonah Esrei and if it was in the last three Brachot of Shemonah Esrei he should begin from Retzeh. <Ref> Tur and S”A 126:1 </ref> | ||
