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* However, the Smag (quoted by Tur 126:3) says that it also applies to Mussaf; if the Shaliach Tzibbur didn’t mention Rosh Chodesh in the Chazara of Mussaf then he is not obligated to return because he can make it up in Mincha. However, the Tur argues strongly that this is not found in the Gemara. The Bet Yosef 126:3 quotes the Smag saying that this actually was one version of the text of the Gemara, nonetheless, the Bet Yosef concludes that we hold like the Tur because that is the text of the Rosh 4:23, Rif 21a, and Rambam 10:12. The S”A 126:3 rules like the Tur that there’s no leniency by Mussaf. | * However, the Smag (quoted by Tur 126:3) says that it also applies to Mussaf; if the Shaliach Tzibbur didn’t mention Rosh Chodesh in the Chazara of Mussaf then he is not obligated to return because he can make it up in Mincha. However, the Tur argues strongly that this is not found in the Gemara. The Bet Yosef 126:3 quotes the Smag saying that this actually was one version of the text of the Gemara, nonetheless, the Bet Yosef concludes that we hold like the Tur because that is the text of the Rosh 4:23, Rif 21a, and Rambam 10:12. The S”A 126:3 rules like the Tur that there’s no leniency by Mussaf. | ||
* [Actually, our version of the Gemara says that the same is true of forgetting Yaaleh VeYavo in Mariv and Mussaf because one could make it up in Shacharit and Mincha, respectively. However, Tosfot 30b writes that the version which extends this idea to Mariv is incorrect because the later Gemara gives a different reason why one who forgets to say Yaaleh VeYavo at Mariv doesn’t have to repeat [[Shemona Esreh]]. Additionally, Hagot HaGra (ibid.) writes that the Rif and the other poskim don’t have the text which extends this idea beyond Shacharit.] </ref> | * [Actually, our version of the Gemara says that the same is true of forgetting Yaaleh VeYavo in Mariv and Mussaf because one could make it up in Shacharit and Mincha, respectively. However, Tosfot 30b writes that the version which extends this idea to Mariv is incorrect because the later Gemara gives a different reason why one who forgets to say Yaaleh VeYavo at Mariv doesn’t have to repeat [[Shemona Esreh]]. Additionally, Hagot HaGra (ibid.) writes that the Rif and the other poskim don’t have the text which extends this idea beyond Shacharit.] </ref> | ||
# The same is true if on Shabbat or [[Yom Tov]], meaning that if the Shaliach Tzibbur doesn’t mention any reference to Shabbat or [[Yom Tov]] in Chazara of Shacharit, but rather says a Chazara of a weekday Shacharit. If he completed the Chazara he doesn’t have to repeat. However, if the Shaliach Tzibbur remembered before the end of Chazara he should return to the beginning of Yismach Moshe (on Shabbat) or Atta Bechartanu (on [[Yom Tov]]). <ref> | # The same is true if on [[Shabbat]] or [[Yom Tov]], meaning that if the Shaliach Tzibbur doesn’t mention any reference to [[Shabbat]] or [[Yom Tov]] in Chazara of Shacharit, but rather says a Chazara of a weekday Shacharit. If he completed the Chazara he doesn’t have to repeat. However, if the Shaliach Tzibbur remembered before the end of Chazara he should return to the beginning of Yismach Moshe (on [[Shabbat]]) or Atta Bechartanu (on [[Yom Tov]]). <ref> | ||
* For background see above footnote. The Smak (quoted by the Tur 126:3) writes that the leniency of the Gemara, that if the Shaliach Tzibbur forgets to mention Rosh Chodesh in Chazara of Shacharit on Rosh Chodesh he doesn’t have to repeat the [[Shemona Esreh]] applies equally to Shabbat and [[Yom Tov]]. [The Mishna Brurah 126:14 explains the case is that the Shaliach Tzibbur said a Chazara of a weekday Shacharit in place of Shabbat or [[Yom Tov]].] The Tur agreed with the Smak. The Rama 126:3 rules like the Smak. The Mishna Brurah 126:15 writes that even though some argue the halacha follows the Rama. | * For background see above footnote. The Smak (quoted by the Tur 126:3) writes that the leniency of the Gemara, that if the Shaliach Tzibbur forgets to mention Rosh Chodesh in Chazara of Shacharit on Rosh Chodesh he doesn’t have to repeat the [[Shemona Esreh]] applies equally to [[Shabbat]] and [[Yom Tov]]. [The Mishna Brurah 126:14 explains the case is that the Shaliach Tzibbur said a Chazara of a weekday Shacharit in place of [[Shabbat]] or [[Yom Tov]].] The Tur agreed with the Smak. The Rama 126:3 rules like the Smak. The Mishna Brurah 126:15 writes that even though some argue the halacha follows the Rama. | ||
* However, the Smag (quoted by the Tur 126:3) and Bet Yosef 126:3 based on the language of the Gemara and Rambam disagree and say that the leniency of the Gemara is limited to Rosh Chodesh and doesn’t apply to Shabbat and [[Yom Tov]]. Nonetheless, Kaf HaChaim 126:19 writes that if the Shaliach Tzibbur finished the Chazara one may rely on the Rama because of delaying the congregation. </ref> | * However, the Smag (quoted by the Tur 126:3) and Bet Yosef 126:3 based on the language of the Gemara and Rambam disagree and say that the leniency of the Gemara is limited to Rosh Chodesh and doesn’t apply to [[Shabbat]] and [[Yom Tov]]. Nonetheless, Kaf HaChaim 126:19 writes that if the Shaliach Tzibbur finished the Chazara one may rely on the Rama because of delaying the congregation. </ref> | ||
# A Shaliach Tzibbur who makes a mistake and skipped a Bracha of [[Shemona Esreh]] (in Chazarat HaShatz) and when he is corrected he returns to where he made the mistake, he should continue to be Shaliach Tzibbur. However, if he skipped Birkat HaMinim (VeLamalshinim) the Shaliach Tzibbur should be removed immediately because there’s a fear that he is a heretic. <Ref>Tur and S”A 126:1 </ref> | # A Shaliach Tzibbur who makes a mistake and skipped a Bracha of [[Shemona Esreh]] (in Chazarat HaShatz) and when he is corrected he returns to where he made the mistake, he should continue to be Shaliach Tzibbur. However, if he skipped Birkat HaMinim (VeLamalshinim) the Shaliach Tzibbur should be removed immediately because there’s a fear that he is a heretic. <Ref>Tur and S”A 126:1 </ref> | ||
# A Shaliach Tzibbur who makes a mistake and skipped a Bracha of [[Shemona Esreh]] (in Chazarat HaShatz) and when he is corrected he is unable to return to where he made the mistake, another Shaliach Tzibbur should take his place. The next one should begin from the beginning of the Bracha where the mistake happened and if the mistake happened in the first three Brachot of [[Shemona Esreh]] the Shaliach Tzibbur should begin from the beginning of [[Shemona Esreh]] and if it was in the last three Brachot of [[Shemona Esreh]] he should begin from Retzeh. <Ref> Tur and S”A 126:1 </ref> | # A Shaliach Tzibbur who makes a mistake and skipped a Bracha of [[Shemona Esreh]] (in Chazarat HaShatz) and when he is corrected he is unable to return to where he made the mistake, another Shaliach Tzibbur should take his place. The next one should begin from the beginning of the Bracha where the mistake happened and if the mistake happened in the first three Brachot of [[Shemona Esreh]] the Shaliach Tzibbur should begin from the beginning of [[Shemona Esreh]] and if it was in the last three Brachot of [[Shemona Esreh]] he should begin from Retzeh. <Ref> Tur and S”A 126:1 </ref> | ||
