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# Even if one can see from house to house (or outside), moving there will be a doubtful Shinui and so it should be avoided, however, if one did move there, no Bracha is required. <Ref>Vezot HaBracha (pg 58 #4, chapter 6) </ref> | # Even if one can see from house to house (or outside), moving there will be a doubtful Shinui and so it should be avoided, however, if one did move there, no Bracha is required. <Ref>Vezot HaBracha (pg 58 #4, chapter 6) </ref> | ||
===Having intention to move=== | ===Having intention to move=== | ||
# If before one starts to eat a bread meal one has in mind to move from place to place, according to Ashkenazim, one is initially allowed to move places and say [[Birkat HaMazon]] in the second place.<ref>Mishna Brurah 178:33 and 40 writes that it is permitted even initially to move from one house to another during a meal if one had intent to do so during one began the meal. Shulchan Aruch HaRav 178:5 agrees. See the Aruch Hashulchan 178:8 who cites this approach but recommends only doing so in the case of a mitzvah need.</ref> (This is a common practice by chasidim on Friday nights moving from their meals to the Rebbe's Tisch.) | # If before one starts to eat a bread meal one has in mind to move from place to place, according to Ashkenazim, one is initially allowed to move places and say [[Birkat HaMazon]] in the second place.<ref>Mishna Brurah 178:33 and 40 writes that it is permitted even initially to move from one house to another during a meal if one had intent to do so during one began the meal. Shulchan Aruch HaRav 178:5 agrees. See the Aruch Hashulchan 178:8 who cites this approach but recommends only doing so in the case of a mitzvah need. Raavad on Rambam Brachot 4:5 establishes that having intention prevents a shinui makom, though it is unclear his scope. Orchot Chaim Brachot 18 cited by Bet Yosef 178:1 limits the Raavad to an enclosed area but not going from one enclosed area to another one.</ref> (This is a common practice by chasidim on Friday nights moving from their meals to the Rebbe's Tisch.) | ||
# Amongst Sephardim having intent to move houses during a meal is discouraged and even if one has intent to move during the meal one shouldn't do so initially.<ref>[http://ph.yhb.org.il/10-03-11/ Peninei Halacha] cites the Ben Ish Chai (Bahalotcha n. 2) as saying that having intent to move during the meal is sufficient, however, Yalkut Yosef 178:1 argues. </ref> However, even according to Sephardim, if one started one's meal on the doorstep as if he was ready to leave the house, he may move during the meal since he didn't establish a place for his meal.<ref>Or Letzion 2:12:15</ref> | # Amongst Sephardim having intent to move houses during a meal is discouraged and even if one has intent to move during the meal one shouldn't do so initially.<ref>[http://ph.yhb.org.il/10-03-11/ Peninei Halacha] cites the Ben Ish Chai (Bahalotcha n. 2) as saying that having intent to move during the meal is sufficient, however, Yalkut Yosef 178:1 argues. </ref> However, even according to Sephardim, if one started one's meal on the doorstep as if he was ready to leave the house, he may move during the meal since he didn't establish a place for his meal.<ref>Or Letzion 2:12:15</ref> | ||
===Eating on the Go=== | ===Eating on the Go=== | ||
# It is permissible for a person to start eating intending to continue eating as he travels. Then it is permissible to continue to eat as he is changing places and that isn't considered a change in locations since he didn't originally establish a place for his meal.<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 178:4, Magen Avraham 178:11, Mishna Brurah 178:43. </ref> | # It is permissible for a person to start eating intending to continue eating as he travels. Then it is permissible to continue to eat as he is changing places and that isn't considered a change in locations since he didn't originally establish a place for his meal.<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 178:4, Magen Avraham 178:11, Mishna Brurah 178:43. </ref> | ||
