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# If before one starts to eat a bread meal one has in mind to move from place to place, according to Ashkenazim, one is initially allowed to move places and say [[Birkat HaMazon]] in the second place.<ref>Mishna Brurah 178:33 and 40 writes that it is permitted even initially to move from one house to another during a meal if one had intent to do so during one began the meal. Shulchan Aruch HaRav 178:5 agrees. See the Aruch Hashulchan 178:8 who cites this approach but recommends only doing so in the case of a mitzvah need.</ref> (This is a common practice by chasidim on Friday nights moving from their meals to the Rebbe's Tisch.) | # If before one starts to eat a bread meal one has in mind to move from place to place, according to Ashkenazim, one is initially allowed to move places and say [[Birkat HaMazon]] in the second place.<ref>Mishna Brurah 178:33 and 40 writes that it is permitted even initially to move from one house to another during a meal if one had intent to do so during one began the meal. Shulchan Aruch HaRav 178:5 agrees. See the Aruch Hashulchan 178:8 who cites this approach but recommends only doing so in the case of a mitzvah need.</ref> (This is a common practice by chasidim on Friday nights moving from their meals to the Rebbe's Tisch.) | ||
# Amongst Sephardim having intent to move houses during a meal is discouraged and even if one has intent to move during the meal one shouldn't do so initially.<ref>[http://ph.yhb.org.il/10-03-11/ Peninei Halacha] cites the Ben Ish Chai (Bahalotcha n. 2) as saying that having intent to move during the meal is sufficient, however, Yalkut Yosef 178:1 argues. </ref> However, even according to Sephardim, if one started one's meal on the doorstep as if he was ready to leave the house, he may move during the meal since he didn't establish a place for his meal.<ref>Or Letzion 2:12:15</ref> | # Amongst Sephardim having intent to move houses during a meal is discouraged and even if one has intent to move during the meal one shouldn't do so initially.<ref>[http://ph.yhb.org.il/10-03-11/ Peninei Halacha] cites the Ben Ish Chai (Bahalotcha n. 2) as saying that having intent to move during the meal is sufficient, however, Yalkut Yosef 178:1 argues. </ref> However, even according to Sephardim, if one started one's meal on the doorstep as if he was ready to leave the house, he may move during the meal since he didn't establish a place for his meal.<ref>Or Letzion 2:12:15</ref> | ||
==Eating on the Go== | |||
# It is permissible for a person to start eating intending to continue eating as he travels. Then it is permissible to continue to eat as he is changing places and that isn't considered a change in locations since he didn't originally establish a place for his meal.<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 178:4, Magen Avraham 178:11, Mishna Brurah 178:43. </ref> | |||
===If one left friends=== | ===If one left friends=== | ||
# If one ate together with friends (any food or drink) in the place where one ate (assuming they are eating together unlike a restaurant where everyone is separate) when one returns no new [[Bracha Rishona]] is needed. <ref> | # If one ate together with friends (any food or drink) in the place where one ate (assuming they are eating together unlike a restaurant where everyone is separate) when one returns no new [[Bracha Rishona]] is needed. <ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 178:2 and Rama there. The Magen Avraham 178:3 writes that whether the food is bread or simply fruits, leaving friends behind is enough to prevent a change in locations. Mishna Brurah 178:14,18,27 agrees. Kaf HaChaim 178:16 points out that the Bet Yosef, Bach, and Taz disagree with this Magen Avraham and holds that the idea of leaving friends behind only works for bread, yet he says that the agreement of the poskim is like the Magen Avraham. See Igrot Moshe 5:16:10 who suggests several other cases in which it is obvious that a person will return such as if he left his coat there that leaving isn't considered a location change.</ref> | ||
# Even one person and even a child suffice for this purpose. <Ref>Mishna Brurah 178:14, Vezot HaBracha (pg 61) in name of Rav Sheinburg </ref> | # Even one person and even a child suffice for this purpose. <Ref>Mishna Brurah 178:14, Vezot HaBracha (pg 61) in name of Rav Sheinburg </ref> | ||
===Eating on the walk=== | ===Eating on the walk=== | ||
# If one eats on the walk or if one is about to leave the house and one plans on eating while walking one doesn’t need a new Bracha even if one walks into a house and continues eating there. <Ref>S”A 178:4, Vezot HaBracha (pg 62, chapter 5) </ref> | # If one eats on the walk or if one is about to leave the house and one plans on eating while walking one doesn’t need a new Bracha even if one walks into a house and continues eating there. <Ref>S”A 178:4, Vezot HaBracha (pg 62, chapter 5). Kaf HaChaim 178:15 writes that even if one established a place of eating but one takes the food along in order to eat it on the way one doesn't need to make another bracha. </ref> | ||
# If one began eating in the car and one can continue outside the car without a new Bracha because it’s considered eating on the walk. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 62, chapter 5) </ref> | # If one began eating in the car and one can continue outside the car without a new Bracha because it’s considered eating on the walk. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 62, chapter 5) </ref> | ||
===Eating | ===Eating Continuously=== | ||
# If one ate continuously even if one didn’t have in mind to change places, one doesn’t need a new Bracha upon changing places. For example, if one left the house with a candy in his mouth no new Bracha is needed. <ref>Sh”t Igrot Moshe OC 2:57, Vezot HaBracha (pg 62, chapter 6) </ref> | # If one ate continuously even if one didn’t have in mind to change places, one doesn’t need a new Bracha upon changing places. For example, if one left the house with a candy in his mouth no new Bracha is needed. <ref>Sh”t Igrot Moshe OC 2:57, Vezot HaBracha (pg 62, chapter 6) </ref> | ||
# Additionally, if one ate within interruption such as if one ate chips without an break of [[Toch Kedi Dibbur]] (2-3 sec), however, in this case if one changed places (left the house) it’s preferable to make an interruption and make a new Bracha. <ref>Sh”t Igrot Moshe OC 2:57, Vezot HaBracha (pg 62, chapter 6) </ref> | # Additionally, if one ate within interruption such as if one ate chips without an break of [[Toch Kedi Dibbur]] (2-3 sec), however, in this case if one changed places (left the house) it’s preferable to make an interruption and make a new Bracha. <ref>Sh”t Igrot Moshe OC 2:57, Vezot HaBracha (pg 62, chapter 6) </ref> | ||
