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# Moving in an open area outdoors is not considered a Shinui Makom if it’s still possible to see the place from where one started.<Ref>Bet Yosef 178:1 commenting on Rambam Brachot 4:5, Mishna Brurah 178:25, Vezot HaBracha (pg 57, chapter 6) </ref> | # Moving in an open area outdoors is not considered a Shinui Makom if it’s still possible to see the place from where one started.<Ref>Bet Yosef 178:1 commenting on Rambam Brachot 4:5, Mishna Brurah 178:25, Vezot HaBracha (pg 57, chapter 6) </ref> | ||
# Moving in an enclosed area outdoors (like a fenced in area) is not considered a Shinui Makom even if one can’t see the place from where one started. <Ref>Mishna Brurah 178:25, Vezot HaBracha (pg 57, chapter 6), see there what he quotes in name of Rav Elyashiv regarding an enclosure of an eruv of [[Shabbat]]. Bet Yosef 178:1 quotes the Orchot Chaim Brachot 18 who writes that moving from part of an enclosed garden or orchard to another is a shinui makom unless one had intention to move around. Yet, moving from one enclosed garden or orchard to another even with intention it is a shinui makom.</ref> | # Moving in an enclosed area outdoors (like a fenced in area) is not considered a Shinui Makom even if one can’t see the place from where one started. <Ref>Mishna Brurah 178:25, Vezot HaBracha (pg 57, chapter 6), see there what he quotes in name of Rav Elyashiv regarding an enclosure of an eruv of [[Shabbat]]. Bet Yosef 178:1 quotes the Orchot Chaim Brachot 18 who writes that moving from part of an enclosed garden or orchard to another is a shinui makom unless one had intention to move around. Yet, moving from one enclosed garden or orchard to another even with intention it is a shinui makom.</ref> | ||
# If someone goes to the bathroom in the same house it is not a shinuy makom whether one was eating bread or a snack.<ref>Halacha Brurah 178:23 writes that there's no shinuy makom going to the bathroom even in the middle of a snack since it is normal and necessary to go to the bathroom. Even according to those who hold that there is a shinuy makom from room to room there is no shinuy makom going to the bathroom. However, Mishna Brurah (178:26 and Biur Halacha s.v. kgon) holds that it is a shinuy makom when leaving the house to go to the bathroom in he middle of a snack. Piskei Teshuvot 178:20 limit the Mishna Brurah to leaving the house but if it is a room in the house it is not a shinuy makom. Halacha Brurah cites Zichronot Eliyahu Brachot 300:7, Daat Torah 178, Igrot Moshe 5:16:10, Shulchan Aruch Harav 178:8, Chemdat Avraham 3:11, Birkat Yehuda 1:5 unlike his father in Halichot Olam (v. 2 end of Bahalotcha) who holds that going to the bathroom is a shinuy makom. Yalkut Yosef (178, 5764 edition), agreed with his father that it is a shinuy makom since we don't intend to eat in the bathroom since it is forbidden to eat there. Yalkut Yosef (5771 edition, p. 37, 178:26) agrees with Halacha Brurah and writes that his father agreed with him that going to the bathroom is not a shinuy makom if it is within the same house. Also, technically it is permitted to eat there. However, regarding an outhouse he writes (5771 edition, p. 34 178:8) that it is a shinuy makom during a snack.</ref> | |||
===Cases that are in doubt and are preferable to avoid=== | ===Cases that are in doubt and are preferable to avoid=== | ||
