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==Which Foods does Shinui Makom apply to?== | ==Which Foods does Shinui Makom apply to?== | ||
# If one had a [[Kezayit]] of bread there’s no Shinui Makom whether one leaves that place and returns or if one leaves that place and goes to another place, no new [[Bracha Rishona]] is needed. <ref>Rav Chisda in Pesachim 101b, Rama O.C. 178:2, Vezot HaBracha (pg 60, chapter 6). Do we follow Rav Chisda or Rav Sheshet? Tosfot Pesachim 101b s.v. elah rules like Rav Chisda, | # If one had a [[Kezayit]] of bread there’s no Shinui Makom whether one leaves that place and returns or if one leaves that place and goes to another place, no new [[Bracha Rishona]] is needed. <ref>Rav Chisda in Pesachim 101b, Rama O.C. 178:2, Vezot HaBracha (pg 60, chapter 6). Do we follow Rav Chisda or Rav Sheshet? Tosfot Pesachim 101b s.v. elah rules like Rav Chisda. Rosh Pesachim 1:6 agrees. On the other hand, Rabbenu Chananel 102a rules like Rav Sheshet. Rif Pesachim 20b, Rambam Brachot 4:4 (as per Kesef Mishna there), and Baal Hameor 20b concur with Rabbenu Chananel.</ref> Even by bread, initially, one may not move from house to house unless one had intent to do so from the beginning. <ref>Vezot HaBracha (pg 60, chapter 6) </ref> | ||
# If one had less than a [[Kezayit]] of bread, [[Mezonot]], or Shivat HaMinim (grapes, figs, pomegranates, olives, dates) it’s like all other foods and if one changes places a new Bracha would be required. <ref>Vezot HaBracha (pg 60, chapter 6) </ref> | # If one had less than a [[Kezayit]] of bread, [[Mezonot]], or Shivat HaMinim (grapes, figs, pomegranates, olives, dates) it’s like all other foods and if one changes places a new Bracha would be required. <ref>Vezot HaBracha (pg 60, chapter 6) </ref> | ||
# Even by bread, initially one may not make a Shinui for an extended period of time because one may forget to return and make Birkat haMazon, however, it’s permissible to make a Shinui for a short time. In order to perform a mitzvah, it’s permissible to leave the area for a long time, however, one should make sure not to forget the [[Bracha Achrona]] within Shuir Ikul. If one is afraid that one will forget, then one should make the [[Bracha Achrona]] before moving to the other place. <ref>Vezot HaBracha (pg 61, chapter 6) </ref> | # Even by bread, initially one may not make a Shinui for an extended period of time because one may forget to return and make Birkat haMazon, however, it’s permissible to make a Shinui for a short time. In order to perform a mitzvah, it’s permissible to leave the area for a long time, however, one should make sure not to forget the [[Bracha Achrona]] within Shuir Ikul. If one is afraid that one will forget, then one should make the [[Bracha Achrona]] before moving to the other place. <ref>Vezot HaBracha (pg 61, chapter 6) </ref> | ||
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==If one made a Shinui Makom== | ==If one made a Shinui Makom== | ||
# The result of a Shinui Makom is only that one must make a new [[Bracha Rishona]] but it does not effect the [[Bracha Achrona]] and so if one ate fruit and then changed places only a new [[Bracha Rishona]] is required.<ref>Tosfot Pesachim 101b s.v. shehen, Rosh Pesachim 10:6, Vezot HaBracha (pg 60, chapter 6) </ref> | # The result of a Shinui Makom is only that one must make a new [[Bracha Rishona]] but it does not effect the [[Bracha Achrona]] and so if one ate fruit and then changed places only a new [[Bracha Rishona]] is required.<ref>Tosfot Pesachim 101b s.v. shehen, Rosh Pesachim 10:6, Mordechai Pesachim 101b s.v. kshehen, Tur 178:1, Vezot HaBracha (pg 60, chapter 6). Tosfot explains that only a new bracha rishona is necessary since a shinui makom is like a hesech hadaat, interruption of thought. However, it would not require a bracha achrona as that can be exempted with the bracha achrona after the second eating. Ramban (Milchamot Hashem Pesachim 19b) argues that shinui makom is more significant than a regular hesech hadaat. It is a complete uproot of one's meal and requires a bracha achrona and another bracha rishona when one wants to eat again. Baal Hameor 19b agrees for another reason. He says that you need a bracha achrona before the next bracha rishona because each bracha rishona requires a separate bracha achrona. Since the new meal in the new place is independent with respect to the bracha rishona, so too for bracha achrona it needs a separate bracha achrona. </ref> | ||
==When it is permissible initially== | ==When it is permissible initially== | ||
