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# Moving in an enclosed area outdoors (like a fenced in area) is not considered a Shinui Makom even if one can’t see place from where one started. <Ref>Mishna Brurah 178:25, Vezot HaBracha (pg 57, chapter 6), see there what he quotes in name of Rav Elyashiv regarding an enclosure of an eruv of [[Shabbat]]. </ref> | # Moving in an enclosed area outdoors (like a fenced in area) is not considered a Shinui Makom even if one can’t see place from where one started. <Ref>Mishna Brurah 178:25, Vezot HaBracha (pg 57, chapter 6), see there what he quotes in name of Rav Elyashiv regarding an enclosure of an eruv of [[Shabbat]]. </ref> | ||
===Cases that are in doubt and are preferable to avoid=== | ===Cases that are in doubt and are preferable to avoid=== | ||
# In the first place one may not switch from place to place from room to room under one roof (unless one had intention originally or can see from room to room), however, after the fact it is not considered a Shinui Makom. <Ref> | # In the first place one may not switch from place to place from room to room under one roof (unless one had intention originally or can see from room to room), however, after the fact it is not considered a Shinui Makom. <Ref> Beiur Halacha 178:1 s.v. Bayit, Vezot HaBracha (pg 56, chapter 6). [See the Beiur Halacha who writes that those who commonly move from room to room have what to rely on.] </ref> | ||
# Moving from an apartment to the stairwell of the [[building]] is a dispute and certainly in the first place one shouldn’t move from an apartment to a stairwell. After the fact, one shouldn’t consider it as a Shinui Makom that would require a new Bracha. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 56, chapter 6) brings a dispute between Rav Elyashiv and Rav Shlomo Zalman and concludes that one shouldn’t move there while eating, however after the fact one shouldn’t make a new Bracha, yet it’s preferable to leave the [[building]] to require a new Bracha according to all opinions. </ref> | # Moving from an apartment to the stairwell of the [[building]] is a dispute and certainly in the first place one shouldn’t move from an apartment to a stairwell. After the fact, one shouldn’t consider it as a Shinui Makom that would require a new Bracha. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 56, chapter 6) brings a dispute between Rav Elyashiv and Rav Shlomo Zalman and concludes that one shouldn’t move there while eating, however after the fact one shouldn’t make a new Bracha, yet it’s preferable to leave the [[building]] to require a new Bracha according to all opinions. </ref> | ||
# Moving from an apartment to the porch which is roofed is considered like moving from room to room and should be avoided but after the fact isn’t a Shinui Makom. However, going to a porch that’s unroofed is a dispute and one should certainly not change places to there, however, after the fact it isn’t considered a Shinui Makom. <Ref>Vezot HaBracha (pg 56-7chapter 6) </ref> | # Moving from an apartment to the porch which is roofed is considered like moving from room to room and should be avoided but after the fact isn’t a Shinui Makom. However, going to a porch that’s unroofed is a dispute and one should certainly not change places to there, however, after the fact it isn’t considered a Shinui Makom. <Ref>Vezot HaBracha (pg 56-7chapter 6) </ref> | ||
