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===In Israel===
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# In Israel one does not eat or sleep in the [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret (as it is no longer [[Sukkot]]). <ref>S"A 666:1, nitei Gavriel ([[Sukkot]] 81:4) </ref>
# In Israel one does not eat or sleep in the [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret (as it is no longer [[Sukkot]]). <ref>S"A 666:1, nitei Gavriel ([[Sukkot]] 81:4) </ref>
# In Israel, if one must eat or sleep in a [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret as there’s no room inside, then one should remove 4x4 [[Tefachim]] of [[S'chach]] to show that one doesn’t intend to add to the mitzvah (Baal Tosif). <Ref>S”A 666:1 writes that in Israel, if one must eat or sleep in a [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret as there’s no room inside, then one should remove 4x4 [[Tefachim]] of [[S'chach]] to show that one doesn’t intend to add to the mitzvah (Baal Tosif). Mishna Brurah 666:5 explains that there’s no real Bal Tosif since one doesn’t violate Bal Tosif unless one intends to add to the mitzvah while it isn't the time of the mitzvah, however, there is an issue of appearing like adding to the mitzvah which is only applicable on Shemini Aseret. nitei Gavriel 81:4 writes simply that same needs to be done if one needs to sleep in the [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret.</ref>
# In Israel, if one must eat or sleep in a [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret as there’s no room inside, then one should remove 4x4 [[Tefachim]] of [[S'chach]] to show that one doesn’t intend to add to the mitzvah ([[Baal Tosif]]). <Ref>S”A 666:1 writes that in Israel, if one must eat or sleep in a [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret as there’s no room inside, then one should remove 4x4 [[Tefachim]] of [[S'chach]] to show that one doesn’t intend to add to the mitzvah ([[Baal Tosif]]). Mishna Brurah 666:5 explains that there’s no real [[Bal Tosif]] since one doesn’t violate [[Bal Tosif]] unless one intends to add to the mitzvah while it isn't the time of the mitzvah, however, there is an issue of appearing like adding to the mitzvah which is only applicable on Shemini Aseret. nitei Gavriel 81:4 writes simply that same needs to be done if one needs to sleep in the [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret.</ref>
# An alternative to removing [[S'chach]] is to put a tarp on top or below 4x4 [[Tefachim]] of [[S'chach]] as long as the tarp is within 3 [[Tefachim]] of the [[S'chach]]. <ref> Piskei Teshuvot 666:1 quotes the Bikurei Yacov 666:5 who says that using 4x4 invalid [[S'chach]] isn't sufficient against the Bigdei Yesha who permits but then adds that even the Bikurei Yacov agrees that putting a tarp 4x4 [[Tefachim]] on top or below the shach within 3 [[Tefachim]] of the [[S'chach]] is sufficient. </ref>
# An alternative to removing [[S'chach]] is to put a tarp on top or below 4x4 [[Tefachim]] of [[S'chach]] as long as the tarp is within 3 [[Tefachim]] of the [[S'chach]]. <ref> Piskei Teshuvot 666:1 quotes the Bikurei Yacov 666:5 who says that using 4x4 invalid [[S'chach]] isn't sufficient against the Bigdei Yesha who permits but then adds that even the Bikurei Yacov agrees that putting a tarp 4x4 [[Tefachim]] on top or below the shach within 3 [[Tefachim]] of the [[S'chach]] is sufficient. </ref>
# It’s permissible to eat in the [[Sukkah]] after Shemini Aseret and it’s not an issue of Bal Tosif. <Ref> Rama 666:1 writes that it’s clear that one isn’t [[sitting in the Sukkah]] to fulfill the mitzvah after [[Sukkot]] and so there’s no issue of Bal Tosif, however it would be an issue on Shemini Aseret because it’s so close to the holiday. </ref>
# It’s permissible to eat in the [[Sukkah]] after Shemini Aseret and it’s not an issue of [[Bal Tosif]]. <Ref> Rama 666:1 writes that it’s clear that one isn’t [[sitting in the Sukkah]] to fulfill the mitzvah after [[Sukkot]] and so there’s no issue of [[Bal Tosif]], however it would be an issue on Shemini Aseret because it’s so close to the holiday. </ref>
# It’s permissible to eat or sleep in the [[Sukkah]] before [[Sukkot]] (erev [[Sukkot]]) and it’s not an issue of Bal Tosif. <Ref> Chazon Ovadyah pg 481 holds that’s there no issue of Bal Tosif before the mitzvah was done. Interestingly, Piskei Teshuvot 666:1 raises this issue (writes that it’s strange that no one addresses this issue) and concludes leniently and adds that it’s preferable to eat a meal or snack ([[KeBaytzah]] of [[mezonot]]) outside the [[Sukkah]] after [[eating in the Sukkah]] to show that one clearly doesn’t want to add to the mitzvah. </ref>
# It’s permissible to eat or sleep in the [[Sukkah]] before [[Sukkot]] (erev [[Sukkot]]) and it’s not an issue of [[Bal Tosif]]. <Ref> Chazon Ovadyah pg 481 holds that’s there no issue of [[Bal Tosif]] before the mitzvah was done. Interestingly, Piskei Teshuvot 666:1 raises this issue (writes that it’s strange that no one addresses this issue) and concludes leniently and adds that it’s preferable to eat a meal or snack ([[KeBaytzah]] of [[mezonot]]) outside the [[Sukkah]] after [[eating in the Sukkah]] to show that one clearly doesn’t want to add to the mitzvah. </ref>
==Nighttime meal==
==Nighttime meal==
# Because Shemini Aseret is an independent holiday, the beracha of [[Shehecheyanu]] must be recited at [[kiddush]]. <ref> Chazon Ovadia [[Sukkot]] p 451 quoting Masechet Sofrim </ref>
# Because Shemini Aseret is an independent holiday, the beracha of [[Shehecheyanu]] must be recited at [[kiddush]]. <ref> Chazon Ovadia [[Sukkot]] p 451 quoting Masechet Sofrim </ref>