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==With what stoves and how are they heated?== | ==With what stoves and how are they heated?== | ||
# A Kirah fueled with olive peals, wood chips, dung of large animals, or charcoal need to be Garuf and Katum in order to leave something not cooked upon it, however, if the Kirah is fueled with straw or stubble, one may leave not cooked food on it. <Ref> The Mishna ([[Shabbat]] 36b) differentiates between a Kirah heated by stubble and straw which don’t make coals (that can later be stoked) and a Kirah heated by olive peals, wood chips that make coals. The Tur and S”A 253:1 rule that one may leave not cooked food on a Kirah fueled by straw or stubble but if was fueled with olive peals or wood chips it’s forbidden unless the food is cooked. Mishna Brurah 253:4 in name of the Kol Bo includes charcoal in the second category of fuels. [Rambam ([[Shabbat]] 3:4) includes dung of small animals in the same category as straw and stubble, implying that dung of large animals is the category of olive peals and wood chips. However, Bet Yosef 253:1 (D”H Umasha Katuv VeIm Husaka BeKash) writes that our girsa of the Yerushalmi is that dung of small animals is included in the category of olive peals and woods. The Kolbo (Siman 31, pg 31c) also had the girsa differently from the Rambam. Mishna Brurah 253:4 rules like Rambam that dung of large animals is included in the category of olive peals and wood chips. ] </ref> | # A Kirah fueled with olive peals, wood chips, dung of large animals, or charcoal need to be Garuf and Katum in order to leave something not cooked upon it, however, if the Kirah is fueled with straw or stubble, one may leave not cooked food on it. <Ref> The Mishna ([[Shabbat]] 36b) differentiates between a Kirah heated by stubble and straw which don’t make coals (that can later be stoked) and a Kirah heated by olive peals, wood chips that make coals. The Tur and S”A 253:1 rule that one may leave not cooked food on a Kirah fueled by straw or stubble but if was fueled with olive peals or wood chips it’s forbidden unless the food is cooked. Mishna Brurah 253:4 in name of the Kol Bo includes charcoal in the second category of fuels. [Rambam ([[Shabbat]] 3:4) includes dung of small animals in the same category as straw and stubble, implying that dung of large animals is the category of olive peals and wood chips. However, Bet Yosef 253:1 (D”H Umasha Katuv VeIm Husaka BeKash) writes that our girsa of the Yerushalmi is that dung of small animals is included in the category of olive peals and woods. The Kolbo (Siman 31, pg 31c) also had the girsa differently from the Rambam. Mishna Brurah 253:4 rules like Rambam that dung of large animals is included in the category of olive peals and wood chips. ] </ref> | ||
# There’s a dispute whether our stoves nowadays fueled by oil also have the issue of Shehiya or not. Because of the old Minhag to be lenient one has what to rely on to leave food on a gas fire if the food is cooked [[Machal Ben s.v. Mipneh) concur. [ | # There’s a dispute whether our stoves nowadays fueled by oil also have the issue of Shehiya or not. Because of the old Minhag to be lenient one has what to rely on to leave food on a gas fire if the food is cooked [[Machal Ben s.v. Mipneh) concur. [Biur Halacha 253:1 Afilu Eina Garufa who is in doubt whether it’s permissible to leave food on a Kirah that’s heated by straw and stubble only if the straw and stubble have been consumed prior to [[Shabbat]] or it’s permissible even if there’s a lot of fuel to last a long time. If so, it seems clear that the same doubt would apply to the case of a flame continuously fueled by oil.] | ||
Second source to forbid: Bear Yitzchak (Introduction to Kodshim) writes that he asked the Goan MeBrisk about leaving a container of water by an oil stove and he was answered that it’s totally forbidden as by the hot water container mentioned in Yerushalmi ([[Shabbat]] 3:3e), that forbids it since the walls of the container remain hot. Bear Yitzchak continues that Rav Zonenfeld asked Rav Yacov Elishor why he didn’t protest the Minhag some Sephardim had to leave a container of water by an oil stove and was answered that he didn’t have the power to protest this bad Minhag. Those who don’t apply the Gezerah to a modern stove: 1)Sh”t Maharshag 2:50 argues that since Chazal didn’t make a Gezerah about the case of a flame fueled by oil we shouldn’t make a Gezerah. Chazon Ovadyah ([[Shabbat]] 1 pg 48) quotes Yadei Chaim pg 200 who explains that even if something is very similar to a modern example we can’t extend the Gezerot of Chazal like the Rishonim were able to, thus modern day stoves such be permissible. Sh”t Tzitz Eliezer 2:7 (quoting Rav Tzvi [[Peasch]] Frank) based on a Yerushalmi (Shevit 2:4) concurs. 2) Sh”t Igrot Moshe O”C 1:93 distinguishes between stoking the coals for which the Rabbis made a Gezerah and adding more fuel which the rabbis didn’t make a Gezerah, and so a oil stove isn’t an issue of stoking coals and the issue of increasing the fire is permitted. This idea is applied elsewhere in Sh”t Yacheve Daat 6:20. 3) Additionally, Gedolei Tzion 9:11 (quoted by Sh”t Tzitz Eliezer 7:16(3) and Sh”t Yachave Daat 6:20) and Sh”t Kochavei Yitzchak 3:37(4) say that the Gezerah only applies to coals which constantly flicker and get close to going out, but an oil stove where the fire is constant there shouldn’t be a Gezerah. Sh”t Tzitz Eliezer 7:15(3) writes that even the Chazon Ish (Sefer Moed Siman 37) who forbids a modern stove by Chazarah didn’t even entertain the idea of forbidding it for Shehiyah. Rejection of the second source: On the other hand, Chazon Ovadyah ([[Shabbat]] 1 pg 49) rejects the proof from the Yerushlami based on Ritva (Shabbbat 41a; I searched and was unable to find this Ritva, but found it that quote in the Chiddushei Ran), who explains that water that’s totally cooked is even allowed to be left on a Kirah or a Tanur but the problem of a water container is that it was made of metal pieces and if the water evaporates one may come to add more water in fear that the fire will make the container fall apart. So writes Maginei Shlomo ([[Shabbat]] 41a) in name of Rashi. Chazon Ovadyah concludes that had Rav Yacov Elishor seen the Ritva and Poskim who permit he would have rejoiced to defend the Minhag! Sh”t Tzitz Eliezer 7:15(1) (quoting Sh”t Maharsham 3:165) also rejects the proof from the Yerushalmi because we don’t pasken like the Yerushalmi since it’s not mentioned in the Bavli. </ref> | Second source to forbid: Bear Yitzchak (Introduction to Kodshim) writes that he asked the Goan MeBrisk about leaving a container of water by an oil stove and he was answered that it’s totally forbidden as by the hot water container mentioned in Yerushalmi ([[Shabbat]] 3:3e), that forbids it since the walls of the container remain hot. Bear Yitzchak continues that Rav Zonenfeld asked Rav Yacov Elishor why he didn’t protest the Minhag some Sephardim had to leave a container of water by an oil stove and was answered that he didn’t have the power to protest this bad Minhag. Those who don’t apply the Gezerah to a modern stove: 1)Sh”t Maharshag 2:50 argues that since Chazal didn’t make a Gezerah about the case of a flame fueled by oil we shouldn’t make a Gezerah. Chazon Ovadyah ([[Shabbat]] 1 pg 48) quotes Yadei Chaim pg 200 who explains that even if something is very similar to a modern example we can’t extend the Gezerot of Chazal like the Rishonim were able to, thus modern day stoves such be permissible. Sh”t Tzitz Eliezer 2:7 (quoting Rav Tzvi [[Peasch]] Frank) based on a Yerushalmi (Shevit 2:4) concurs. 2) Sh”t Igrot Moshe O”C 1:93 distinguishes between stoking the coals for which the Rabbis made a Gezerah and adding more fuel which the rabbis didn’t make a Gezerah, and so a oil stove isn’t an issue of stoking coals and the issue of increasing the fire is permitted. This idea is applied elsewhere in Sh”t Yacheve Daat 6:20. 3) Additionally, Gedolei Tzion 9:11 (quoted by Sh”t Tzitz Eliezer 7:16(3) and Sh”t Yachave Daat 6:20) and Sh”t Kochavei Yitzchak 3:37(4) say that the Gezerah only applies to coals which constantly flicker and get close to going out, but an oil stove where the fire is constant there shouldn’t be a Gezerah. Sh”t Tzitz Eliezer 7:15(3) writes that even the Chazon Ish (Sefer Moed Siman 37) who forbids a modern stove by Chazarah didn’t even entertain the idea of forbidding it for Shehiyah. Rejection of the second source: On the other hand, Chazon Ovadyah ([[Shabbat]] 1 pg 49) rejects the proof from the Yerushlami based on Ritva (Shabbbat 41a; I searched and was unable to find this Ritva, but found it that quote in the Chiddushei Ran), who explains that water that’s totally cooked is even allowed to be left on a Kirah or a Tanur but the problem of a water container is that it was made of metal pieces and if the water evaporates one may come to add more water in fear that the fire will make the container fall apart. So writes Maginei Shlomo ([[Shabbat]] 41a) in name of Rashi. Chazon Ovadyah concludes that had Rav Yacov Elishor seen the Ritva and Poskim who permit he would have rejoiced to defend the Minhag! Sh”t Tzitz Eliezer 7:15(1) (quoting Sh”t Maharsham 3:165) also rejects the proof from the Yerushalmi because we don’t pasken like the Yerushalmi since it’s not mentioned in the Bavli. </ref> | ||
