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===Which Takes Precedence Kriyat Hatorah or Seuda Shelishit?=== | ===Which Takes Precedence Kriyat Hatorah or Seuda Shelishit?=== | ||
#If someone can either go to shul to hear kriyat hatorah and miss the time to eat seuda shelishit or eat seuda shelishit and miss kriyat hatorah, it is better to eat seuda shelishit and skip kriyat hatorah.<ref>Vezot Hatorah p. 13 quotes Dinim Vhanhagot Chazon Ish that it is better to skip kriyat hatorah and eat seuda shelishit than to hear kriyat hatorah and skip seuda shelishit.</ref> | #If someone can either go to shul to hear kriyat hatorah and miss the time to eat seuda shelishit or eat seuda shelishit and miss kriyat hatorah, it is better to eat seuda shelishit and skip kriyat hatorah.<ref>Vezot Hatorah p. 13 quotes Dinim Vhanhagot Chazon Ish that it is better to skip kriyat hatorah and eat seuda shelishit than to hear kriyat hatorah and skip seuda shelishit.</ref> | ||
===Which Takes Precedence Seuda Shelishit or Mincha?=== | |||
# If a person can either daven mincha or eat seuda shelishit before sunset it is better to daven mincha.<Ref> Avnei Yishfeh 15:8 quoting Rav Elyashiv</ref> | |||
#If it is possible to eat something besides bread and daven mincha or eat bread, it is better to eat something besides bread and daven mincha rather than eat bread for seuda shelishit.<Ref> Avnei Yishfeh 15:8 quoting Rav Elyashiv</ref> | |||
===Which Takes Precedence Seuda Shelishit or Minyan?=== | ===Which Takes Precedence Seuda Shelishit or Minyan?=== | ||
# If a person can either go to a minyan for mincha and miss seuda shelishit completely or eat seuda shelishit and miss davening with the minyan, it is better to daven by oneself and eat seuda shelishit.<ref>Divrei Binyahu 22:189 says seuda shelishit is more important than minyan because according to the Kabbalah it is very important meal, and also some poskim say it is a deoritta mitzvah (Levush 291). Most say it is derabbanan (Maharil 94, Kol bo 58, Avudraham, Orchot Chaim, Erech Hashulchan 274:3, | # If a person can either go to a minyan for mincha and miss seuda shelishit completely or eat seuda shelishit and miss davening with the minyan, it is better to daven by oneself and eat seuda shelishit.<ref>Divrei Binyahu 22:189 says seuda shelishit is more important than minyan because according to the Kabbalah it is very important meal, and also some poskim say it is a deoritta mitzvah (Levush 291). Most say it is derabbanan (Maharil 94, Kol bo 58, Avudraham, Orchot Chaim, Erech Hashulchan 274:3, and Eliya Rabba 291:1 citing the Rid. Nonetheless it is derabbanan and more important than minyan if there's no choice.</ref> | ||
===Which Takes Precedence Seuda Shelishit after Sunset or Minyan?=== | ===Which Takes Precedence Seuda Shelishit after Sunset or Minyan?=== | ||
# If it is possible to either daven with a minyan and eat seuda shelishit after sunset within 13.5 minutes it is better to do that rather than miss minyan.<ref>Divrei Binyahu 22:28 writes that it is better to daven with a minyan and start seuda shelishit after sunset within 13.5 than to daven by oneself. His reasons is that Shaar Hatziyun 299:1, Minchat Elazar 1:33, and Yaskil Avdi 8:38:11 allow starting seuda shelishit after sunset during ben hashemashot. For the lechatchila to start before sunset it isn't worth missing a minyan.</ref> Others dispute this point.<ref>Avnei Yishfeh 15:7 quotes Rav Elyashiv as holding that it is better to daven by oneself than to eat seuda shelishit after sunset. In fnt. 11 he adds that it seems that it is also permitted to miss kriyat hatorah for this purpose.</ref> Alternatively, if it is possible to have a quick mezonot for seuda shelishit and then catch a minyan for mincha that is also acceptable.<ref>Divrei Binyahu 22:29 holds that it is better to have seuda shelishit with mezonot rather than miss a minyan for mincha.</ref> | # If it is possible to either daven with a minyan and eat seuda shelishit after sunset within 13.5 minutes it is better to do that rather than miss minyan.<ref>Divrei Binyahu 22:28 writes that it is better to daven with a minyan and start seuda shelishit after sunset within 13.5 than to daven by oneself. His reasons is that Shaar Hatziyun 299:1, Minchat Elazar 1:33, and Yaskil Avdi 8:38:11 allow starting seuda shelishit after sunset during ben hashemashot. For the lechatchila to start before sunset it isn't worth missing a minyan.</ref> Others dispute this point.<ref>Avnei Yishfeh 15:7 quotes Rav Elyashiv as holding that it is better to daven by oneself than to eat seuda shelishit after sunset. In fnt. 11 he adds that it seems that it is also permitted to miss kriyat hatorah for this purpose.</ref> Alternatively, if it is possible to have a quick mezonot for seuda shelishit and then catch a minyan for mincha that is also acceptable.<ref>Divrei Binyahu 22:29 holds that it is better to have seuda shelishit with mezonot rather than miss a minyan for mincha.</ref> | ||
