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* Nishmat Shabbat 2:477 says that even according to those who usually daven mincha before sunset can do kriyat hatorah after sunset since it isn't part of the takana of davenings. He quotes the Minchat Yitzchak 6:53 in a totally different context as a proof to this concept. Therefore, he says it is better to daven mincha before sunset and kriyat hatorah after sunset. He cites Mekor Chaim (of Chavot Yair 124:2) that in this situation of you should daven mincha before sunset and do kriyat hatorah after sunset. He says that the Eshel Avraham says that you can't do kriyat hatorah after davening shemona esrei but we don't follow that bc he cites a Maharil who says otherwise. | * Nishmat Shabbat 2:477 says that even according to those who usually daven mincha before sunset can do kriyat hatorah after sunset since it isn't part of the takana of davenings. He quotes the Minchat Yitzchak 6:53 in a totally different context as a proof to this concept. Therefore, he says it is better to daven mincha before sunset and kriyat hatorah after sunset. He cites Mekor Chaim (of Chavot Yair 124:2) that in this situation of you should daven mincha before sunset and do kriyat hatorah after sunset. He says that the Eshel Avraham says that you can't do kriyat hatorah after davening shemona esrei but we don't follow that bc he cites a Maharil who says otherwise. | ||
* In Nishmat Shabbat 2:478 he says that it isn't a bracha levatala to do kriyat hatorah in ben hashemashot. He cites the Maharam Shik who says this as well. He says that he asked Rav Yisrael Yakov Fischer and he said not to do kriyat hatorah after sunset, but the Betzel Chachma allowed it. He says that if there's not enough time for both kriyat hatorah and shemona esrei before sunset, it is better to do kriyat hatorah during the day since some say it is a bracha levatala during ben hashemashot and shemona esrei during ben hashemashot is certainly not a bracha levatala, either it is mincha or it is maariv or a nedava. Shaarei Chaim 377:9 says that you can do kriyat hatorah for 30 minutes after sunset based on Rabbenu Tam. He cites Rivevot Efraim 5:290 quoting Rav Debilisky that kriyat hatorah after sunset is a bracha levatala.</ref> | * In Nishmat Shabbat 2:478 he says that it isn't a bracha levatala to do kriyat hatorah in ben hashemashot. He cites the Maharam Shik who says this as well. He says that he asked Rav Yisrael Yakov Fischer and he said not to do kriyat hatorah after sunset, but the Betzel Chachma allowed it. He says that if there's not enough time for both kriyat hatorah and shemona esrei before sunset, it is better to do kriyat hatorah during the day since some say it is a bracha levatala during ben hashemashot and shemona esrei during ben hashemashot is certainly not a bracha levatala, either it is mincha or it is maariv or a nedava. Shaarei Chaim 377:9 says that you can do kriyat hatorah for 30 minutes after sunset based on Rabbenu Tam. He cites Rivevot Efraim 5:290 quoting Rav Debilisky that kriyat hatorah after sunset is a bracha levatala.</ref> | ||
#If there is only ten minutes until sunset, it is more important to do Shemona Esrei and Kriyat Hatorah rather than do the opposite.<ref>Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach in Shulchan Shlomo 292:1 writes that if there's only ten minutes before sunset and they can either do kriyat hatorah or shemona esrei they should do shemona esrei. He doesn't explain or cite sources. Similarly, Nishmat Shabbat 2:480 favors picking shemona esrei over kriyat hatorah if you have to choose because the Magen Avraham 143:8 quoting the Maharam Lublin writes that kriyat hatorah of shabbat mincha isn't such an obligation, it is just to stop people from wasting time (yoshvei kranot). He quotes Zachor lavraham that the rebbe from Toldot Aharon skipped kriyat hatorah on shabbat mincha altogether in order to say shemona esrei before sunset. Emek Bracha (kriyat hatorah 4) isn't sure about this. Dor Hamelakim 292 v 2 p. 985 quotes Shulchan Shlomo 292:1, Kovetz Halachot Shabbat v. 1 ch. 18, Nishmat Shabbat 292:480, and Piskei Teshuvot 292:3 as holding that Shemona Esrei of mincha takes precedence over kriyat hatorah.</ref> | #If there is only ten minutes until sunset, it is more important to do Shemona Esrei and Kriyat Hatorah rather than do the opposite.<ref>Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach in Shulchan Shlomo 292:1 writes that if there's only ten minutes before sunset and they can either do kriyat hatorah or shemona esrei they should do shemona esrei. He doesn't explain or cite sources. Similarly, Nishmat Shabbat 2:480 favors picking shemona esrei over kriyat hatorah if you have to choose because the Magen Avraham 143:8 quoting the Maharam Lublin writes that kriyat hatorah of shabbat mincha isn't such an obligation, it is just to stop people from wasting time (yoshvei kranot). He quotes Zachor lavraham that the rebbe from Toldot Aharon skipped kriyat hatorah on shabbat mincha altogether in order to say shemona esrei before sunset. Emek Bracha (kriyat hatorah 4) isn't sure about this. Dor Hamelakim 292 v 2 p. 985 quotes Shulchan Shlomo 292:1, Kovetz Halachot Shabbat v. 1 ch. 18, Nishmat Shabbat 292:480, and Piskei Teshuvot 292:3 as holding that Shemona Esrei of mincha takes precedence over kriyat hatorah. Avnei Choshen v. 3 p. 447 writes that it is better to choose kriyat hatorah before sunset than shemona esrei with a minyan.</ref> | ||
# If a minyan already davened shemona esrei it is permissible to do kriyat hatorah afterwards.<ref>Nishmat Shabbat 2:479 paskens that you can do kriyat hatorah after shemona esrei like the Maharil 38, Lev Chaim 2:170, Teshuva Mahava 1:28 unlike the Eshel Avraham. See Shraga Hameir 3:24. </ref> | # If a minyan already davened shemona esrei it is permissible to do kriyat hatorah afterwards.<ref>Nishmat Shabbat 2:479 paskens that you can do kriyat hatorah after shemona esrei like the Maharil 38, Lev Chaim 2:170, Teshuva Mahava 1:28 unlike the Eshel Avraham. See Shraga Hameir 3:24. </ref> | ||
# If there's only enough time for seuda shelishit or kriyat hatorah, seuda shelishit is more important.<ref>Vezot Hatorah p. 13 quotes Dinim Vhanhagot Chazon Ish that it is better to skip kriyat hatorah and eat seuda shelishit than to hear kriyat hatorah and skip seuda shelishit. Doesn't say the timing issue.</ref> | |||
# If a person can either go to a minyan for mincha and miss seuda shelishit completely or eat seuda shelishit and miss davening with the minyan, it is better to daven by oneself and eat seuda shelishit. If it is possible to either daven with a minyan and eat seuda shelishit after sunset within 13.5 minutes it is better to do that rather than miss minyan. Alternatively, if it is possible to have a quick mezonot for seuda shelishit and then catch a minyan for mincha that is also acceptable.<ref>Divrei Binyahu 22:29</ref> | |||
#If you know that if you go to a minyan for mincha you'll miss seuda shelishit it is better to eat seuda shelishit at home before mincha and then daven with the minyan later rather than daven by oneself and eat seuda shelishit afterwards.<ref>Or Letzion 2:21:7 says that if you know that if you go to a minyan for mincha you'll miss seuda shelishit it is better to eat seuda shelishit at home before mincha and then daven with the minyan later rather than daven by oneself and eat seuda shelishit afterwards. Divrei Binyahu 22:29 agrees.</ref> | |||
==Saying the weekday [[Shmoneh Esrei]] by mistake== | ==Saying the weekday [[Shmoneh Esrei]] by mistake== | ||
