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==The four cups of wine== | ==The four cups of wine== | ||
===How much the cup needs to hold=== | ===How much the cup needs to hold=== | ||
# The cup of wine must be filled with a Revi'it of wine and one must drink a full Revi'it or at least majority of a Reviyit. <ref> S"A 472:9. See Rav Schachter at [http://www.ou.org/torah/article/oukosher_pre-pesach_webcast_5770 OU Pre-Pesach Webcast 5770] between minutes 93 and 94 says that people have the misconception that one only has to drink a sip of wine, however, in reality, one needs to have a Reviyit or at least a majority of a Reviyit. </ref> | # The cup of wine must be filled with a [[Revi'it]] of wine and one must drink a full [[Revi'it]] or at least majority of a Reviyit. <ref> S"A 472:9. See Rav Schachter at [http://www.ou.org/torah/article/oukosher_pre-pesach_webcast_5770 OU Pre-Pesach Webcast 5770] between minutes 93 and 94 says that people have the misconception that one only has to drink a sip of wine, however, in reality, one needs to have a Reviyit or at least a majority of a Reviyit. </ref> | ||
# If the cup holds a lot of Reviyot, many people can drink from it, only as many people as there are Reviyot in the cup. <ref> The Orchot Chaim and Kolbo hold that as many people as there are Reviyot can drink from the cup and fulfill their obligation. However, Ramban holds that if the cup holds many Reviyot, one person needs to drink majority of the cup and taken split it up with others. S"A 472:9 rules like the Orchot Chaim and Kolbo. </ref> | # If the cup holds a lot of Reviyot, many people can drink from it, only as many people as there are Reviyot in the cup. <ref> The Orchot Chaim and Kolbo hold that as many people as there are Reviyot can drink from the cup and fulfill their obligation. However, Ramban holds that if the cup holds many Reviyot, one person needs to drink majority of the cup and taken split it up with others. S"A 472:9 rules like the Orchot Chaim and Kolbo. </ref> | ||
===How much must one drink=== | ===How much must one drink=== | ||
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* On the statement of Rav Nachman (Pesachim 108b) that one fulfills his obligation by drinking a majority of the cup, Tosfot (s.v. Ruba) comments that preferably, one should drink an entire Revi’it. The Bach (472 s.v. Mah SheKatav VeEin) writes that it is obvious that one should only rely on the concept of majority being considering like the entirety (Rubo K’kulo) after the fact, however, l’chatchila one should drink an entire Revi’it. | * On the statement of Rav Nachman (Pesachim 108b) that one fulfills his obligation by drinking a majority of the cup, Tosfot (s.v. Ruba) comments that preferably, one should drink an entire Revi’it. The Bach (472 s.v. Mah SheKatav VeEin) writes that it is obvious that one should only rely on the concept of majority being considering like the entirety (Rubo K’kulo) after the fact, however, l’chatchila one should drink an entire Revi’it. | ||
* Beit Yosef 472:9 quotes the Kol Bo and Orchot Chaim, who say that if a cup holds many Reviyot, one still has to drink only a Revi’it. The Ramban, however, argues that one must drink majority of the cup even if it is larger than a Revi’it. Although S”A 472:9 rules like the Kol Bo, if one doesn’t plan on drinking a lot, Mishna Brurah 472:33 advises having a cup that holds only a Revi’it in order to satisfy the opinion of the Ramban. </ref> | * Beit Yosef 472:9 quotes the Kol Bo and Orchot Chaim, who say that if a cup holds many Reviyot, one still has to drink only a Revi’it. The Ramban, however, argues that one must drink majority of the cup even if it is larger than a Revi’it. Although S”A 472:9 rules like the Kol Bo, if one doesn’t plan on drinking a lot, Mishna Brurah 472:33 advises having a cup that holds only a Revi’it in order to satisfy the opinion of the Ramban. </ref> | ||
# The precise measurement of a Revi'it is a matter of dispute; several opinions are outlined below:<ref>Background: The Gemara (Pesachim 109a) explains that a Revi’it is the volume of 2x2x2.7 fingerbreadths. Additionally, the Rashbam (ibid. s.v. DeHaynu) writes that the Revi’it is equal to 1.5 times the volume of an egg. Because of the apparent discrepancy between these two measurements, the Tzlach (Pesachim 116b) concluded that the egg of the days of the Gemara was twice the size of the modern-day egg. The Mishna Brurah 486:1 concludes that for the 4 cups of wine at the Seder, which are only d’rabanan, one need not follow the Tzlach’s strict view. </ref> | # The precise measurement of a [[Revi'it]] is a matter of dispute; several opinions are outlined below:<ref>Background: The Gemara (Pesachim 109a) explains that a Revi’it is the volume of 2x2x2.7 fingerbreadths. Additionally, the Rashbam (ibid. s.v. DeHaynu) writes that the Revi’it is equal to 1.5 times the volume of an egg. Because of the apparent discrepancy between these two measurements, the Tzlach (Pesachim 116b) concluded that the egg of the days of the Gemara was twice the size of the modern-day egg. The Mishna Brurah 486:1 concludes that for the 4 cups of wine at the Seder, which are only d’rabanan, one need not follow the Tzlach’s strict view. </ref> | ||
## Rabbi Mordechai Willig (“The Shiurim of Seder Night” min 1-10, and Pesach To-Go 5771 p. 60) holds that the size of an egg with its shell is 50 cc, which would result in a Revi’it of 2.5 fl oz. | ## Rabbi Mordechai Willig (“The Shiurim of Seder Night” min 1-10, and Pesach To-Go 5771 p. 60) holds that the size of an egg with its shell is 50 cc, which would result in a Revi’it of 2.5 fl oz. | ||
## Rav Ovadia Yosef (Chazon Ovadia p. 16) writes that a Revi’it is 2.7 fl oz (81cc). This is based on the measurements of Rav Chaim Noeh (Shiurei Tzion p. 69) with slight adjustments. | ## Rav Ovadia Yosef (Chazon Ovadia p. 16) writes that a Revi’it is 2.7 fl oz (81cc). This is based on the measurements of Rav Chaim Noeh (Shiurei Tzion p. 69) with slight adjustments. | ||
