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# If the cup holds more than a [[Revi'it]], one can fulfill one's obligation by only drinking one [[Revi'it]]. However, because some hold that one should drink the entire cup, if one plans on only drinking a [[Revi'it]] one should use a cup that only holds a [[Revi'it]]. Additionally, if a cup holds a number of Revi'iyot, many people can drink from the same cup as long as there is a [[Revi'it]] for each person. <ref> | # If the cup holds more than a [[Revi'it]], one can fulfill one's obligation by only drinking one [[Revi'it]]. However, because some hold that one should drink the entire cup, if one plans on only drinking a [[Revi'it]] one should use a cup that only holds a [[Revi'it]]. Additionally, if a cup holds a number of Revi'iyot, many people can drink from the same cup as long as there is a [[Revi'it]] for each person. <ref> | ||
* Beit Yosef 472:9 quotes the Kol Bo and Orchot Chaim, who say that if a cup holds many Reviyot, one still has to drink only a Revi’it. The Ramban, however, argues that one must drink majority of the cup even if it is larger than a Revi’it. Although S”A 472:9 rules like the Kol Bo, if one doesn’t plan on drinking a lot, Mishna Brurah 472:33 advises having a cup that holds only a Revi’it in order to satisfy the opinion of the Ramban. </ref> | * Beit Yosef 472:9 quotes the Kol Bo and Orchot Chaim, who say that if a cup holds many Reviyot, one still has to drink only a Revi’it. The Ramban, however, argues that one must drink majority of the cup even if it is larger than a Revi’it. Although S”A 472:9 rules like the Kol Bo, if one doesn’t plan on drinking a lot, Mishna Brurah 472:33 advises having a cup that holds only a Revi’it in order to satisfy the opinion of the Ramban. </ref> | ||
# One should fill up the cup to the top even if it is large. <ref>The Pri Chadash 472:9 writes that even if one has a cup bigger than a [[reviyit]] one should fill up the cup to the top because of hiddur mitzvah. </ref> | |||
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# Preferably, one should drink a Revi’it of wine for each of the 4 cups of wine at [[the Seder]]. If this is difficult, one fulfills his obligation by drinking the majority of a Revi’it for each cup.<Ref> * The Gemara (Pesachim 108b) states that each of the 4 cups at the [[seder]] must contain a Revi’it of wine. Additionally, Rabbi Yitzchak (Pesachim 109a) says that a certain measuring cup in Tzipori held the volume of a Log and they would use it to measure the Revi’it for [[Pesach]]. Rashbam (109a s.v. U’vah) explains that each of the 4 cups had to hold a Revi’it of a Log and altogether that would equal a Log, the exact volume of the cup in Tzipori. Rambam (Chametz UMatzah 7:7), Tur, and S”A 472:9 codify this as halacha. | # Preferably, one should drink a Revi’it of wine for each of the 4 cups of wine at [[the Seder]]. If this is difficult, one fulfills his obligation by drinking the majority of a Revi’it for each cup.<Ref> * The Gemara (Pesachim 108b) states that each of the 4 cups at the [[seder]] must contain a Revi’it of wine. Additionally, Rabbi Yitzchak (Pesachim 109a) says that a certain measuring cup in Tzipori held the volume of a Log and they would use it to measure the Revi’it for [[Pesach]]. Rashbam (109a s.v. U’vah) explains that each of the 4 cups had to hold a Revi’it of a Log and altogether that would equal a Log, the exact volume of the cup in Tzipori. Rambam (Chametz UMatzah 7:7), Tur, and S”A 472:9 codify this as halacha. | ||
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## Rabbi Avraham Blumenkrantz writes that a Revi’it is 2.9 fl oz (86cc). <ref>Rabbi Avraham Blumenkrantz (The Laws of [[Pesach]] 5771 pg 111) writes that since the four cups are Derabbanan one may use a cup that holds 2.9 oz. </ref> | ## Rabbi Avraham Blumenkrantz writes that a Revi’it is 2.9 fl oz (86cc). <ref>Rabbi Avraham Blumenkrantz (The Laws of [[Pesach]] 5771 pg 111) writes that since the four cups are Derabbanan one may use a cup that holds 2.9 oz. </ref> | ||
## Rabbi Shimon Eider writes that according to his [[measurements]], the Revi’it is 3.0 fl oz (89cc). <ref>Halachos of [[Pesach]] (Rabbi Shimon Eider, Chapter 20, Sec D 5, pg 228-230) writes that since the four cups are Derabbanan one may have the smaller measurement which is measuring by eggs and not by thumbs and according to his calculation a [[Reviyit]] should be 3 oz and if one is unable to have a [[Reviyit]] one fulfills one's obligation with a majority of a [[Reviyit]]. See also Weekly Halacha (by Rabbi Neustadt on [http://www.torah.org/advanced/weekly-halacha/5760/tazria.html torah.org]) who writes that one may rely on the view of Rav Chaim Noeh who holds that 3 oz is sufficient being that the cups of wine are Derabbanan. </ref> | ## Rabbi Shimon Eider writes that according to his [[measurements]], the Revi’it is 3.0 fl oz (89cc). <ref>Halachos of [[Pesach]] (Rabbi Shimon Eider, Chapter 20, Sec D 5, pg 228-230) writes that since the four cups are Derabbanan one may have the smaller measurement which is measuring by eggs and not by thumbs and according to his calculation a [[Reviyit]] should be 3 oz and if one is unable to have a [[Reviyit]] one fulfills one's obligation with a majority of a [[Reviyit]]. See also Weekly Halacha (by Rabbi Neustadt on [http://www.torah.org/advanced/weekly-halacha/5760/tazria.html torah.org]) who writes that one may rely on the view of Rav Chaim Noeh who holds that 3 oz is sufficient being that the cups of wine are Derabbanan. </ref> | ||
## Rabbi Dovid Feinstein (Kol Dodi Haggadah, 5730, p. 4) writes that based on measuring large eggs, which should be used for the four cups, a Revi’it is 3.3 fl oz (98cc). <ref>In the 5745 edition, however, he says that the Revi’it is | ## Rabbi Dovid Feinstein (Kol Dodi Haggadah, 5730, p. 4) writes that based on measuring large eggs, which should be used for the four cups, a Revi’it is 3.3 fl oz (98cc). <ref>In the 5745 edition, however, he says that the Revi’it is 2.9 fl oz. See also Rabbi Yisroel Bodner (Halachos of K’zayis p. 24 n. 24) who writes that he spoke to Rav Dovid Feinstein about how he arrived at his [[measurements]] and was told that his father, Rav Moshe Feinstein, didn't measure it himself but rather a student measured 'large' eggs and came up with 2.2 fl oz per egg. Rav Dovid added, if he, Rav Bodner, arrived at a smaller measure with his own [[measurements]] he should follow that. Rav Bodner writes that according to his [[measurements]] the average egg was 55cc (1.92 fl oz). Nonetheless, in terms of [[Bracha Achrona]] Rav Bodner (p. 26) follows the [[measurements]] of Rav Chaim Noeh who measured the average egg to be 57cc. </ref> | ||
## Rav Yisrael Belsky recommended having a Revi’it of 4.3 fl oz (127cc). <ref>Rav Yisrael Belsky on [http://www.ou.org/torah/article/oukosher_pre-pesach_webcast_5771 OU Pre-Pesach Webcast 5771] between minutes 37 and 38</ref> | ## Rav Yisrael Belsky recommended having a Revi’it of 4.3 fl oz (127cc). <ref>Rav Yisrael Belsky on [http://www.ou.org/torah/article/oukosher_pre-pesach_webcast_5771 OU Pre-Pesach Webcast 5771] between minutes 37 and 38</ref> | ||
## Rav Chaim Kanievsky writes that according to the rulings of the Chazon Ish, a Revi’it is 5.1 fl oz (150cc). <ref>Shiurin Shel Torah p. 65. See also Halachos of [[Pesach]] (pg 229) who writes that the [[Kiddish]] cup of Rav Yisrael Salanter was 4.1 oz at it's full capacity and the cup of the Chafetz Chaim was 5 oz. </ref> | ## Rav Chaim Kanievsky writes that according to the rulings of the Chazon Ish, a Revi’it is 5.1 fl oz (150cc). <ref>Shiurin Shel Torah p. 65. See also Halachos of [[Pesach]] (pg 229) who writes that the [[Kiddish]] cup of Rav Yisrael Salanter was 4.1 oz at it's full capacity and the cup of the Chafetz Chaim was 5 oz. </ref> | ||
