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# The Ashkenazic minhag is to recite [[Havdalah]] after reading the [[Megillah]].<ref>The Kol Bo (45) writes that Rabbeinu Chananeil and the Raavad held that if [[Purim]] falls out on Motza’ei [[Shabbat]], one should recite [[Havdalah]] before the [[Megillah]]. He adds, however, that the minhag of Narvona was to say [[Havdalah]] after the [[Megillah]]. The Sefer Minhagim (Tirna, [[Purim]] s.v. [[Arvit]]) and Rama 693:1 write that the minhag is to say [[Havdalah]] after the [[Megillah]]. The Bei’ur HaGra 693:1 explains that we recite [[Havdalah]] after the [[Megillah]] in order to delay ending [[Shabbat]] as much as possible (see Pesachim 105b). Pri Megadim M”Z 693:1, Mishna Brurah 693:3, Nitei Gavriel 28:8, and Rav Hershel Schachter ("Purim That Falls on Motzei Shabbos" by Rabbi Isaac Rice, 5784) agree. | # The Ashkenazic minhag is to recite [[Havdalah]] after reading the [[Megillah]].<ref>The Kol Bo (45) writes that Rabbeinu Chananeil and the Raavad held that if [[Purim]] falls out on Motza’ei [[Shabbat]], one should recite [[Havdalah]] before the [[Megillah]]. He adds, however, that the minhag of Narvona was to say [[Havdalah]] after the [[Megillah]]. The Sefer Minhagim (Tirna, [[Purim]] s.v. [[Arvit]]) and Rama 693:1 write that the minhag is to say [[Havdalah]] after the [[Megillah]]. The Bei’ur HaGra 693:1 explains that we recite [[Havdalah]] after the [[Megillah]] in order to delay ending [[Shabbat]] as much as possible (see Pesachim 105b). Mekor Hachaim 192:1, Pri Megadim M”Z 693:1, Mishna Brurah 693:3, Nitei Gavriel 28:8, and Rav Hershel Schachter ("Purim That Falls on Motzei Shabbos" by Rabbi Isaac Rice, 5784) agree. | ||
*Elsewhere, the Kol Bo (41) writes that one should say Borei Me’orei HaEish before the [[Megillah]] so that one does not benefit from candle light while reading the [[Megillah]] before making a Bracha upon it. He mentions that some others argued that the Bracha of Yotzeir HaMe’orot in [[Shacharit]] already exempted them of the obligation to thank Hashem for benefitting from light. The Maharash Halevi (cited by Pri [[Chadash]] 693:1) explains that the second opinion understands the bracha of Borei Me’orei HaEish to be in commemoration (zecher) of the creation of fire on Motza’ei [[Shabbat]] and not a bracha that permits one to benefit from light. Birkei Yosef 693:1 writes that ideally, one should say Borei Me’orei HaEish before the [[Megillah]] and the rest of [[Havdalah]] afterwards. Chazon Ovadia (p. 67) agrees.</ref> | *Elsewhere, the Kol Bo (41) writes that one should say Borei Me’orei HaEish before the [[Megillah]] so that one does not benefit from candle light while reading the [[Megillah]] before making a Bracha upon it. He mentions that some others argued that the Bracha of Yotzeir HaMe’orot in [[Shacharit]] already exempted them of the obligation to thank Hashem for benefitting from light. The Maharash Halevi (cited by Pri [[Chadash]] 693:1) explains that the second opinion understands the bracha of Borei Me’orei HaEish to be in commemoration (zecher) of the creation of fire on Motza’ei [[Shabbat]] and not a bracha that permits one to benefit from light. Birkei Yosef 693:1 writes that ideally, one should say Borei Me’orei HaEish before the [[Megillah]] and the rest of [[Havdalah]] afterwards. Chazon Ovadia (p. 67) agrees.</ref> | ||
# The Sephardic poskim advise reciting "Borei Me’orei HaEish" before the [[Megillah]] and the rest of the [[Havdalah]] afterwards.<ref>Chazon Ovadia (p. 67)</ref> | # The Sephardic poskim advise reciting "Borei Me’orei HaEish" before the [[Megillah]] and the rest of the [[Havdalah]] afterwards.<ref>Chazon Ovadia (p. 67). Raavad (Tamim Deyim 174) and Ohel Moed (Moed Katan 1:4) write that havdalah should be before megillah so that he doesn't enjoy the light while reading megillah before reciting Borei Meorei Haesh.</ref> | ||
== Seuda Shelishit and Seudat Purim == | == Seuda Shelishit and Seudat Purim == | ||
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# It is proper to have a small meal in honor of Purim the night of Purim on Motzei Shabbat. Having [[Seudat Shelishit]] isn’t considered as that small meal the night of [[Purim]].<ref>Mishna Brurah 695:3, Rabbi Hershel Schachter ("Purim That Falls on Motzei Shabbos," Rabbi Isaac Rice 5784)</ref> | # It is proper to have a small meal in honor of Purim the night of Purim on Motzei Shabbat. Having [[Seudat Shelishit]] isn’t considered as that small meal the night of [[Purim]].<ref>Mishna Brurah 695:3, Rabbi Hershel Schachter ("Purim That Falls on Motzei Shabbos," Rabbi Isaac Rice 5784)</ref> | ||
# Even if one’s seudat shelishit meal extends into the night one says Retzeh in Birkat Hamazon and doesn’t add Al HaNissim.<ref>Natai Gavriel 28:3</ref> Initially, it is best to avoid this question by not eating a kezayit of bread after nightfall.<ref>Rabbi Hershel Schachter ("Purim That Falls on Motzei Shabbos," Rabbi Isaac Rice 5784)</ref> | # Even if one’s seudat shelishit meal extends into the night one says Retzeh in Birkat Hamazon and doesn’t add Al HaNissim.<ref>Natai Gavriel 28:3</ref> Initially, it is best to avoid this question by not eating a kezayit of bread after nightfall.<ref>Rabbi Hershel Schachter ("Purim That Falls on Motzei Shabbos," Rabbi Isaac Rice 5784)</ref> | ||
== Eating before Megillah == | |||
# Some poskim hold that it is permitted to eat a snack before the megillah on Motzei Shabbat (after havdalah). The reason is that we're only strict not to even have a snack before megillah after the fast since a person is likely to eat too much, but in this case there's no such concern.<ref>Rav Elyashiv (Shiurei Maran Hagrish Elyashiv Brachot 4b s.v. shemati p. 22). The reason that megillah at night after a fast is more of a concern is spelled out in Eliya Rabba 692:11. </ref> Others disagree and hold that when Purim falls out on Motzei Shabbat, it has the same status as every other year and it is forbidden to have a snack before megillah except someone who is weak.<ref>Va'ayer Lanu (Rabbi Yisrael Rappaport, p. 123) notes that according to Eliya Rabba 692 there's more of a reason to be reason when Purim falls out on Motzei Shabbat since the fast isn't right before the megillah. However, according to Eliya Rabba it should also be allowed to have a snack before megillah of the day and Mishna Brurah writes that there's no difference. Therefore, Va'ayer Lanu writes that according to Mishna Brurah it is forbidden to have a snack before megillah of Purim that falls out on Motzei Shabbat. Rabbi Yisrael Harpenes (Mekadesh Yisrael Purim teshuva 67) writes that it is not proper to be lenient to have a snack before Megillah when Purim falls out on Motzei Shabbat.</ref> | |||
# Some poskim write that it is forbidden to continue seuda shelishit late in the night past tzet hakochavim when Purim falls out on Motzei Shabbat.<ref>Rav Nissim Karelitz (Piskei Shemuot p. 113 quoting Rav Yosef Shuv)</ref> | |||
== Order of Arvit on Motzei Shabbat == | == Order of Arvit on Motzei Shabbat == | ||
#If [[Purim]] falls out on Saturday night then one should read the [[megillah]] and then say VeYehe Noam. <ref>Rama 693:1, Natai Gavriel ([[purim]] 28:8)</ref> | #It is forbidden to read the Megillah after Plag Mincha when Purim falls out on Motzei Shabbat.<ref>Magen Avraham 692:6</ref> | ||
#If [[Purim]] falls out on Saturday night then one should read the [[megillah]] and then say VeYehe Noam.<ref>Rama 693:1, Mekor Hachaim 192:1, Natai Gavriel ([[purim|Purim]] 28:8)</ref> | |||
#If the congregation didn’t yet say [[Kiddush Levana]] then they should say it before hearing the Megilla,<ref>Noda BiYehuda (O.C. 1:41) writes that one should say [[Kiddush Levana]] before the [[Megillah]] because of Tadir VeSheino Tadir. He explains that the Gemara’s principle that Pirsumei Nisa trumps Tadir ([[Megillah]] 3a) applies only if by reading the [[Megillah]] first, one will be able to do Pirsumeh Nisa with a bigger congregation than if one were to do Tadir first. However, if the entire congregation can read the [[Megillah]] after [[Kiddush Levana]], then it is better to say [[Kiddush Levana]] first. Kitzur S”A 97:15 and Nitei Gavriel 49:1 agree.</ref> however, if only individuals didn’t say it they should wait until after hearing Megilla together with the congregation.<ref>Natai Gavriel 49:1, 3</ref> | #If the congregation didn’t yet say [[Kiddush Levana]] then they should say it before hearing the Megilla,<ref>Noda BiYehuda (O.C. 1:41) writes that one should say [[Kiddush Levana]] before the [[Megillah]] because of Tadir VeSheino Tadir. He explains that the Gemara’s principle that Pirsumei Nisa trumps Tadir ([[Megillah]] 3a) applies only if by reading the [[Megillah]] first, one will be able to do Pirsumeh Nisa with a bigger congregation than if one were to do Tadir first. However, if the entire congregation can read the [[Megillah]] after [[Kiddush Levana]], then it is better to say [[Kiddush Levana]] first. Kitzur S”A 97:15 and Nitei Gavriel 49:1 agree.</ref> however, if only individuals didn’t say it they should wait until after hearing Megilla together with the congregation.<ref>Natai Gavriel 49:1, 3</ref> | ||
