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# It is proper to have a small meal in honor of Purim the night of Purim on Motzei Shabbat. Having [[Seudat Shelishit]] isn’t considered as that small meal the night of [[Purim]].<ref>Mishna Brurah 695:3, Rabbi Hershel Schachter ("Purim That Falls on Motzei Shabbos," Rabbi Isaac Rice 5784)</ref>
# It is proper to have a small meal in honor of Purim the night of Purim on Motzei Shabbat. Having [[Seudat Shelishit]] isn’t considered as that small meal the night of [[Purim]].<ref>Mishna Brurah 695:3, Rabbi Hershel Schachter ("Purim That Falls on Motzei Shabbos," Rabbi Isaac Rice 5784)</ref>
# Even if one’s seudat shelishit meal extends into the night one says Retzeh in Birkat Hamazon and doesn’t add Al HaNissim.<ref>Natai Gavriel 28:3</ref> Initially, it is best to avoid this question by not eating a kezayit of bread after nightfall.<ref>Rabbi Hershel Schachter ("Purim That Falls on Motzei Shabbos," Rabbi Isaac Rice 5784)</ref>
# Even if one’s seudat shelishit meal extends into the night one says Retzeh in Birkat Hamazon and doesn’t add Al HaNissim.<ref>Natai Gavriel 28:3</ref> Initially, it is best to avoid this question by not eating a kezayit of bread after nightfall.<ref>Rabbi Hershel Schachter ("Purim That Falls on Motzei Shabbos," Rabbi Isaac Rice 5784)</ref>
== Eating before Megillah ==
# Some poskim hold that it is permitted to eat a snack before the megillah on Motzei Shabbat (after havdalah). The reason is that we're only strict not to even have a snack before megillah after the fast since a person is likely to eat too much, but in this case there's no such concern.<ref>Rav Elyashiv (Shiurei Maran Hagrish Elyashiv Brachot 4b s.v. shemati p. 22). The reason that megillah at night after a fast is more of a concern is spelled out in Eliya Rabba 692:11. </ref> Others disagree and hold that when Purim falls out on Motzei Shabbat, it has the same status as every other year and it is forbidden to have a snack before megillah except someone who is weak.<ref>Va'ayer Lanu (Rabbi Yisrael Rappaport, p. 123) notes that according to Eliya Rabba 692 there's more of a reason to be reason when Purim falls out on Motzei Shabbat since the fast isn't right before the megillah. However, according to Eliya Rabba it should also be allowed to have a snack before megillah of the day and Mishna Brurah writes that there's no difference. Therefore, Va'ayer Lanu writes that according to Mishna Brurah it is forbidden to have a snack before megillah of Purim that falls out on Motzei Shabbat. Rabbi Yisrael Harpenes (Mekadesh Yisrael Purim teshuva 67) writes that it is not proper to be lenient to have a snack before Megillah when Purim falls out on Motzei Shabbat.</ref>
# Some poskim write that it is forbidden to continue seuda shelishit late in the night past tzet hakochavim when Purim falls out on Motzei Shabbat.<ref>Rav Nissim Karelitz (Piskei Shemuot p. 113 quoting Rav Yosef Shuv)</ref>


== Order of Arvit on Motzei Shabbat ==
== Order of Arvit on Motzei Shabbat ==
#It is forbidden to read the Megillah after Plag Mincha when Purim falls out on Motzei Shabbat.<ref>Magen Avraham 692:6</ref>
#If [[Purim]] falls out on Saturday night then one should read the [[megillah]] and then say VeYehe Noam.<ref>Rama 693:1, Mekor Hachaim 192:1, Natai Gavriel ([[purim|Purim]] 28:8)</ref>
#If [[Purim]] falls out on Saturday night then one should read the [[megillah]] and then say VeYehe Noam.<ref>Rama 693:1, Mekor Hachaim 192:1, Natai Gavriel ([[purim|Purim]] 28:8)</ref>
#If the congregation didn’t yet say [[Kiddush Levana]] then they should say it before hearing the Megilla,<ref>Noda BiYehuda (O.C. 1:41) writes that one should say [[Kiddush Levana]] before the [[Megillah]] because of Tadir VeSheino Tadir. He explains that the Gemara’s principle that Pirsumei Nisa trumps Tadir ([[Megillah]] 3a) applies only if by reading the [[Megillah]] first, one will be able to do Pirsumeh Nisa with a bigger congregation than if one were to do Tadir first. However, if the entire congregation can read the [[Megillah]] after [[Kiddush Levana]], then it is better to say [[Kiddush Levana]] first. Kitzur S”A 97:15 and Nitei Gavriel 49:1 agree.</ref> however, if only individuals didn’t say it they should wait until after hearing Megilla together with the congregation.<ref>Natai Gavriel 49:1, 3</ref>
#If the congregation didn’t yet say [[Kiddush Levana]] then they should say it before hearing the Megilla,<ref>Noda BiYehuda (O.C. 1:41) writes that one should say [[Kiddush Levana]] before the [[Megillah]] because of Tadir VeSheino Tadir. He explains that the Gemara’s principle that Pirsumei Nisa trumps Tadir ([[Megillah]] 3a) applies only if by reading the [[Megillah]] first, one will be able to do Pirsumeh Nisa with a bigger congregation than if one were to do Tadir first. However, if the entire congregation can read the [[Megillah]] after [[Kiddush Levana]], then it is better to say [[Kiddush Levana]] first. Kitzur S”A 97:15 and Nitei Gavriel 49:1 agree.</ref> however, if only individuals didn’t say it they should wait until after hearing Megilla together with the congregation.<ref>Natai Gavriel 49:1, 3</ref>

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Zecher Lmachasit Hashekel

  1. The minhag is to give zecher lmachasit hashekel on Tanit Ester that's Thursday when Purim falls out on Motzei Shabbat.[1]

Bringing the Megillah to Shul on Shabbat

  1. When Purim falls out on Motzei Shabbat, one may not bring the Megillah to shul on Shabbat. Instead it should be brought before Shabbat and left there.[2] See Hachana for details.
  2. While most poskim say that a Megillah is not Muktzeh[3], one should not carry it to the shul on Shabbat in preparation for Motza’ei Shabbat unless one uses it in shul on Shabbat itself.[4]If one needs to bring the Megillah to the shul after Shabbat one should say "Baruch HaMavdil Ben Kodesh LeChol".[5]

Havdalah

  1. The Ashkenazic minhag is to recite Havdalah after reading the Megillah.[6]
  2. The Sephardic poskim advise reciting "Borei Me’orei HaEish" before the Megillah and the rest of the Havdalah afterwards.[7]

Seuda Shelishit and Seudat Purim

  1. It is proper to have a small meal in honor of Purim the night of Purim on Motzei Shabbat. Having Seudat Shelishit isn’t considered as that small meal the night of Purim.[8]
  2. Even if one’s seudat shelishit meal extends into the night one says Retzeh in Birkat Hamazon and doesn’t add Al HaNissim.[9] Initially, it is best to avoid this question by not eating a kezayit of bread after nightfall.[10]

Eating before Megillah

  1. Some poskim hold that it is permitted to eat a snack before the megillah on Motzei Shabbat (after havdalah). The reason is that we're only strict not to even have a snack before megillah after the fast since a person is likely to eat too much, but in this case there's no such concern.[11] Others disagree and hold that when Purim falls out on Motzei Shabbat, it has the same status as every other year and it is forbidden to have a snack before megillah except someone who is weak.[12]
  2. Some poskim write that it is forbidden to continue seuda shelishit late in the night past tzet hakochavim when Purim falls out on Motzei Shabbat.[13]

Order of Arvit on Motzei Shabbat

  1. It is forbidden to read the Megillah after Plag Mincha when Purim falls out on Motzei Shabbat.[14]
  2. If Purim falls out on Saturday night then one should read the megillah and then say VeYehe Noam.[15]
  3. If the congregation didn’t yet say Kiddush Levana then they should say it before hearing the Megilla,[16] however, if only individuals didn’t say it they should wait until after hearing Megilla together with the congregation.[17]

Purim Customes

  1. A person should not change into Purim customs on Shabbat for Purim on Motzei Shabbat.[18]

Sources

  1. ↑ Kaf Hachaim 694:25, Rabbi Hershel Schachter ("Purim That Falls on Motzei Shabbos" by Rabbi Isaac Rice, 5784)
  2. ↑ Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 28:75
  3. ↑ The Pri Chadash 688:6 writes that the Megillah should be considered Muktzeh on Shabbat, since there’s a gezeirah not to read the Megillah on Shabbat (Megillah 4b). The Eliyah Rabba 308:10, however, says that the Megillah is no different than any other sefer, and sefarim are not Muktzeh. Natai Gavriel 28:4 agrees. The Mateh Yehuda 688:8 writes that even the Pri Chadash considers it Muktzeh only if Purim actually falls out on Shabbat itself, which, according to our calendar, occurs only for those who celebrate Purim on the 15th of Adar. Kitzur S”A 141:17 agrees.
  4. ↑ *Rav Yaakov Emden (Mor U’Ketziah 693 s.v. KeSheChal) writes that it certainly is forbidden to bring the Megillah to shul on Shabbat in order to read it on Motza’ei Shabbat due to the prohibition of preparing on Shabbat for after Shabbat (Hachanah). Kitzur S”A 141:17 and Nitei Gavriel 28:4 agree.
    • The Chayei Adam (155:10), however, writes that while it is proper not to bring the Megillah to shul on Shabbat, strictly speaking it is similar to bringing wine for Havdalah, regarding which the Chayei Adam writes (153:6) that if it is absolutely necessary, one may bring wine for Havdalah if he does so in a way that it does not appear as though one is preparing for after Shabbat. Specifically, he should bring the wine early enough that he theoretically could use it on Shabbat and should carry it in some abnormal way. Mishna Brurah (667:5) agrees.
    • The Chayei Adam explains that Hachanah is violated only if one finished an entire activity but not if one merely is transporting an object that is going to be used later. He bolsters this assertion based on the Magen Avraham (667:3), who says that although one may not set up tables on the 8th day of Sukkot in Chutz LaAretz for Shemini Atzeret because of Hachanah, it is permitted to bring tables in from the Sukkah on the 8th day of Sukkot. Rav Mordechai Willig (Am Mordechai Shabbat p. 177-9) rejects the Chayei Adam’s proof by explaining that the Magen Avraham permitted bringing the tables inside because there was a current need to bring in the tables so that people don’t linger in the Sukkah and appear as if they are adding onto Sukkot.
    • Shaarei Teshuva 693:1 writes that one may carry the Megillah to shul privately on Shabbat if he then uses it on Shabbat. Shemirat Shabbat Kehilchata 28:83 agrees.
    • Rav Hershel Schachter (Eretz HaTzvi p. 57) writes that while Melachot D’rabanan are forbidden during Tosefet Shabbat, Gezeirot D’rabanan are not. Thus, preparing the wine for Havdalah after Tzeit HaKochavim (during Tosefet Shabbat) should be permitted. Chazon Ovadia (p. 107) is lenient even during Bein HaShemashot if it is necessary.
  5. ↑ Natai Gavriel 28:7
  6. ↑ The Kol Bo (45) writes that Rabbeinu Chananeil and the Raavad held that if Purim falls out on Motza’ei Shabbat, one should recite Havdalah before the Megillah. He adds, however, that the minhag of Narvona was to say Havdalah after the Megillah. The Sefer Minhagim (Tirna, Purim s.v. Arvit) and Rama 693:1 write that the minhag is to say Havdalah after the Megillah. The Bei’ur HaGra 693:1 explains that we recite Havdalah after the Megillah in order to delay ending Shabbat as much as possible (see Pesachim 105b). Mekor Hachaim 192:1, Pri Megadim M”Z 693:1, Mishna Brurah 693:3, Nitei Gavriel 28:8, and Rav Hershel Schachter ("Purim That Falls on Motzei Shabbos" by Rabbi Isaac Rice, 5784) agree.
    • Elsewhere, the Kol Bo (41) writes that one should say Borei Me’orei HaEish before the Megillah so that one does not benefit from candle light while reading the Megillah before making a Bracha upon it. He mentions that some others argued that the Bracha of Yotzeir HaMe’orot in Shacharit already exempted them of the obligation to thank Hashem for benefitting from light. The Maharash Halevi (cited by Pri Chadash 693:1) explains that the second opinion understands the bracha of Borei Me’orei HaEish to be in commemoration (zecher) of the creation of fire on Motza’ei Shabbat and not a bracha that permits one to benefit from light. Birkei Yosef 693:1 writes that ideally, one should say Borei Me’orei HaEish before the Megillah and the rest of Havdalah afterwards. Chazon Ovadia (p. 67) agrees.
  7. ↑ Chazon Ovadia (p. 67). Raavad (Tamim Deyim 174) and Ohel Moed (Moed Katan 1:4) write that havdalah should be before megillah so that he doesn't enjoy the light while reading megillah before reciting Borei Meorei Haesh.
  8. ↑ Mishna Brurah 695:3, Rabbi Hershel Schachter ("Purim That Falls on Motzei Shabbos," Rabbi Isaac Rice 5784)
  9. ↑ Natai Gavriel 28:3
  10. ↑ Rabbi Hershel Schachter ("Purim That Falls on Motzei Shabbos," Rabbi Isaac Rice 5784)
  11. ↑ Rav Elyashiv (Shiurei Maran Hagrish Elyashiv Brachot 4b s.v. shemati p. 22). The reason that megillah at night after a fast is more of a concern is spelled out in Eliya Rabba 692:11.
  12. ↑ Va'ayer Lanu (Rabbi Yisrael Rappaport, p. 123) notes that according to Eliya Rabba 692 there's more of a reason to be reason when Purim falls out on Motzei Shabbat since the fast isn't right before the megillah. However, according to Eliya Rabba it should also be allowed to have a snack before megillah of the day and Mishna Brurah writes that there's no difference. Therefore, Va'ayer Lanu writes that according to Mishna Brurah it is forbidden to have a snack before megillah of Purim that falls out on Motzei Shabbat. Rabbi Yisrael Harpenes (Mekadesh Yisrael Purim teshuva 67) writes that it is not proper to be lenient to have a snack before Megillah when Purim falls out on Motzei Shabbat.
  13. ↑ Rav Nissim Karelitz (Piskei Shemuot p. 113 quoting Rav Yosef Shuv)
  14. ↑ Magen Avraham 692:6
  15. ↑ Rama 693:1, Mekor Hachaim 192:1, Natai Gavriel (Purim 28:8)
  16. ↑ Noda BiYehuda (O.C. 1:41) writes that one should say Kiddush Levana before the Megillah because of Tadir VeSheino Tadir. He explains that the Gemara’s principle that Pirsumei Nisa trumps Tadir (Megillah 3a) applies only if by reading the Megillah first, one will be able to do Pirsumeh Nisa with a bigger congregation than if one were to do Tadir first. However, if the entire congregation can read the Megillah after Kiddush Levana, then it is better to say Kiddush Levana first. Kitzur S”A 97:15 and Nitei Gavriel 49:1 agree.
  17. ↑ Natai Gavriel 49:1, 3
  18. ↑ Rabbi Hershel Schachter ("Purim That Falls on Motzei Shabbos," Rabbi Isaac Rice 5784)
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