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* Rabbi Hershel Schachter [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/750616/Rabbi_Hershel_Schachter/Brachot_Ha%E2%80%99nehenin in Brachot Ha'nehenin (31:15)] quotes an alternative approach from Rabbi Soloveitchik; Rosh ([[Brachot]] 6:18) writes that for the Bracha of Ha'adama, it is unnecessary for the vegetable to be recognizable. For example, the Bracha for a vegetable broth would be Ha'adama, even though the vegetables were strained out. However, he is unsure if the same rule applies to strained fruit soup. Therefore, Rabbi Soloveitchik felt that it would be preferable to recite Ha'adama on mashed fruits - like applesauce - since Ha'adama is more specific than [[Shehakol]], and Ha'adama doesn't require tzurat ha'pri. Likewise, the Bracha for mashed vegetables would remain Ha'adama. Rabbi Schachter personally follows this opinion (See OU Document X-18 and [https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzQ0nNsuWg_RaElhQm9XZTZfWVU/edit?usp=sharing HalachaDoc LG-A9]). </ref>  
* Rabbi Hershel Schachter [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/750616/Rabbi_Hershel_Schachter/Brachot_Ha%E2%80%99nehenin in Brachot Ha'nehenin (31:15)] quotes an alternative approach from Rabbi Soloveitchik; Rosh ([[Brachot]] 6:18) writes that for the Bracha of Ha'adama, it is unnecessary for the vegetable to be recognizable. For example, the Bracha for a vegetable broth would be Ha'adama, even though the vegetables were strained out. However, he is unsure if the same rule applies to strained fruit soup. Therefore, Rabbi Soloveitchik felt that it would be preferable to recite Ha'adama on mashed fruits - like applesauce - since Ha'adama is more specific than [[Shehakol]], and Ha'adama doesn't require tzurat ha'pri. Likewise, the Bracha for mashed vegetables would remain Ha'adama. Rabbi Schachter personally follows this opinion (See OU Document X-18 and [https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzQ0nNsuWg_RaElhQm9XZTZfWVU/edit?usp=sharing HalachaDoc LG-A9]). </ref>  
# However, if a certain fruit or vegetable is normally eaten crushed up the Bracha would be the same as a the fruit or vegetable. <ref> S”A 203:7 rules that spices which were mixed together with sugar the Bracha would be that of the spices. The Mishna Brurah 203:12 adds that this is true even if the spices were totally pulverized and not recognizable nonetheless it retains it’s Bracha because it’s normal to crush the spices in this way. Halachos of [[Brachos]] (Rabbi Bodner, chap 22, pg 402, note 30) limits this Mishna Brurah to where the majority of the time it is made in this way. </ref>
# However, if a certain fruit or vegetable is normally eaten crushed up the Bracha would be the same as a the fruit or vegetable. <ref> S”A 203:7 rules that spices which were mixed together with sugar the Bracha would be that of the spices. The Mishna Brurah 203:12 adds that this is true even if the spices were totally pulverized and not recognizable nonetheless it retains it’s Bracha because it’s normal to crush the spices in this way. Halachos of [[Brachos]] (Rabbi Bodner, chap 22, pg 402, note 30) limits this Mishna Brurah to where the majority of the time it is made in this way. </ref>
# If fruit of the Shivat Haminim (grapes, figs, promegrante, olive, dates) was mashed to the point which it required a Bracha of [[Shehakol]], which [[Bracha Achrona]] to make is questionable. Therefore, one should eat a [[Kezayit]] of food which has a [[Bracha Achrona]] of Al HaEtz and a food which has a [[Bracha Achrona]] of [[Boreh Nefashot]]. However, if one doesn't have those foods, one may make an Al HaEtz.<ref>Mishna Brurah 202:42, Sh"t Igrot Moshe YD 2:25</ref> According to Sephardic custom, this is unnecessary, and the [[Brachot]] (Rishonah/Acharonah) do not change.<ref>S"A O.C. 202:7</ref>
# If fruit of the Shivat Haminim (grapes, figs, promegrante, olive, dates) was mashed to the point which it required a Bracha of [[Shehakol]], which [[Bracha Achrona]] to make is questionable. Therefore, one should eat a [[Kezayit]] of food which has a [[Bracha Achrona]] of Al HaEtz and a food which has a [[Bracha Achrona]] of [[Boreh Nefashot]]. However, if one doesn't have those foods, one may make an Al HaEtz.<ref>Mishna Brurah 202:42, Sh"t Igrot Moshe YD 2:25</ref> According to Sephardic custom, this is unnecessary, and the [[Brachot]] (Rishonah/Acharonah) do not change.<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 202:7</ref>


==Jam and Jelly==
==Jam and Jelly==
# The Bracha on a jam or jelly is the same as the actual fruit only if peices of the fruit are recognizable in it. Otherwise, the bracha is [[shehakol]].<ref>The book Laws of [[Brachot]] (by Rabbi Binyomin Forst) in the index writes that for apricot jam- there's a [[shehakol]] if there's no solid pieces in the jam, and HaEtz if there's solid pieces in it. However, by [[Etrog]] Jam he writes simply that it's HaEtz. The book VeZot HaBracha (by Rabbi Alexander Aryeh) writes that for [[Etrog]] as a jam the bracha is HaEtz only if it has pieces of fruit it in that are recognizable. It seems to me that the bracha on jam is always dependent on whether you recognize the pieces in it- there being no difference between [[Etrog]] and any other fruit. It's possible that the [[etrog]] jams are usually chunky and other fruits sometimes have chucks and sometimes not. </ref> According to Sephardic poskim, the beracha remains the same even if there are no recognizable pieces.<ref>S"A O.C. 202:7, Yalkut Yosef ibid., Halacha Berurah ibid.</ref> According to some Ashkenazic poskim, if the Bracha was previously HaEtz, it becomes HaAdama, and if it was previously HaAdama, it remains the same. <ref>R' Joseph B. Soloveitchik, R' Hershel Schachter ([http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/750616/Rabbi_Hershel_Schachter/Brachot_Ha%E2%80%99nehenin in Brachot Ha'nehenin (31:15)], OU Document X-18, [https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzQ0nNsuWg_RaElhQm9XZTZfWVU/edit?usp=sharing HalachaDoc LG-A9]</ref>  
# The Bracha on a jam or jelly is the same as the actual fruit only if peices of the fruit are recognizable in it. Otherwise, the bracha is [[shehakol]].<ref>The book Laws of [[Brachot]] (by Rabbi Binyomin Forst) in the index writes that for apricot jam- there's a [[shehakol]] if there's no solid pieces in the jam, and HaEtz if there's solid pieces in it. However, by [[Etrog]] Jam he writes simply that it's HaEtz. The book VeZot HaBracha (by Rabbi Alexander Aryeh) writes that for [[Etrog]] as a jam the bracha is HaEtz only if it has pieces of fruit it in that are recognizable. It seems to me that the bracha on jam is always dependent on whether you recognize the pieces in it- there being no difference between [[Etrog]] and any other fruit. It's possible that the [[etrog]] jams are usually chunky and other fruits sometimes have chucks and sometimes not. </ref> According to Sephardic poskim, the beracha remains the same even if there are no recognizable pieces.<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 202:7, Yalkut Yosef 202:7, Halacha Brurahh 202:7.</ref> According to some Ashkenazic poskim, if the Bracha was previously HaEtz, it becomes HaAdama, and if it was previously HaAdama, it remains the same. <ref>R' Joseph B. Soloveitchik, R' Hershel Schachter ([http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/750616/Rabbi_Hershel_Schachter/Brachot_Ha%E2%80%99nehenin in Brachot Ha'nehenin (31:15)], OU Document X-18, [https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzQ0nNsuWg_RaElhQm9XZTZfWVU/edit?usp=sharing HalachaDoc LG-A9]</ref>  
# Strawberry or cherry jelly is [[Shehakol]] because it retains neither the form or look of the fruit. <Ref>Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 404, chapter 22) in name of Rav Shlomo Zalman and Rabbi Pinchas Sheinburg</ref> According to Sephardic poskim, strawberry jam would be HaAdama, and cherry jam would be HaEtz. <ref>S"A O.C. 202:7</ref> According to some Ashkenazic poskim, they would both be HaAdama. <ref>R' Joseph B. Soloveitchik, R' Hershel Schachter ([http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/750616/Rabbi_Hershel_Schachter/Brachot_Ha%E2%80%99nehenin in Brachot Ha'nehenin (31:15)], OU Document X-18, [https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzQ0nNsuWg_RaElhQm9XZTZfWVU/edit?usp=sharing HalachaDoc LG-A9]</ref>
# Strawberry or cherry jelly is [[Shehakol]] because it retains neither the form or look of the fruit. <Ref>Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 404, chapter 22) in name of Rav Shlomo Zalman and Rabbi Pinchas Sheinburg</ref> According to Sephardic poskim, strawberry jam would be HaAdama, and cherry jam would be HaEtz. <ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 202:7</ref> According to some Ashkenazic poskim, they would both be HaAdama. <ref>R' Joseph B. Soloveitchik, R' Hershel Schachter ([http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/750616/Rabbi_Hershel_Schachter/Brachot_Ha%E2%80%99nehenin in Brachot Ha'nehenin (31:15)], OU Document X-18, [https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzQ0nNsuWg_RaElhQm9XZTZfWVU/edit?usp=sharing HalachaDoc LG-A9]</ref>


==Guacamole==
==Guacamole==
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