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* '''Conclusion''': If wraps and tortillas are made with a thick dough it seems that the bracha should be [[Hamotzei]] even if it has a thin shape. [http://www.ykr.org.il/modules/Ask/answer/8705 An article on ykr.org.il] quotes Or Torah (Iss. 552, 5773 Tamuz 118:17) as saying that wheat tortilla is [[Hamotzei]]. Similarly, [http://www.kipa.co.il/ask/show/232461-%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%9B%D7%94-%D7%A2%D7%9C-%D7%98%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%98%D7%99%D7%94 Kipa.co.il] writes that the bracha on wraps is [[Hamotzei]] (repeated [http://www.kipa.co.il/ask/show/256620-%D7%98%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%98%D7%99%D7%94 here] as well). The same can be found on [http://www.toraland.org.il/%D7%A9%D7%90%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%95%D7%AA%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%91%D7%95%D7%AA/%D7%90%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%A0%D7%94-%D7%95%D7%94%D7%9C%D7%9B%D7%94/%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%9B%D7%95%D7%AA/%D7%98%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%98%D7%99%D7%95%D7%AA.aspx toraland.org.il]. The [http://oukosher.org/guide-to-blessings/ OU Guide to Brachos] writes that wraps are [[Hamotzei]] when eaten together with the filling but otherwise are [[mezonot]]. See there for the reasoning. </ref> | * '''Conclusion''': If wraps and tortillas are made with a thick dough it seems that the bracha should be [[Hamotzei]] even if it has a thin shape. [http://www.ykr.org.il/modules/Ask/answer/8705 An article on ykr.org.il] quotes Or Torah (Iss. 552, 5773 Tamuz 118:17) as saying that wheat tortilla is [[Hamotzei]]. Similarly, [http://www.kipa.co.il/ask/show/232461-%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%9B%D7%94-%D7%A2%D7%9C-%D7%98%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%98%D7%99%D7%94 Kipa.co.il] writes that the bracha on wraps is [[Hamotzei]] (repeated [http://www.kipa.co.il/ask/show/256620-%D7%98%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%98%D7%99%D7%94 here] as well). The same can be found on [http://www.toraland.org.il/%D7%A9%D7%90%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%95%D7%AA%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%91%D7%95%D7%AA/%D7%90%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%A0%D7%94-%D7%95%D7%94%D7%9C%D7%9B%D7%94/%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%9B%D7%95%D7%AA/%D7%98%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%98%D7%99%D7%95%D7%AA.aspx toraland.org.il]. The [http://oukosher.org/guide-to-blessings/ OU Guide to Brachos] writes that wraps are [[Hamotzei]] when eaten together with the filling but otherwise are [[mezonot]]. See there for the reasoning. </ref> | ||
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# Some say that cereals made from the 5 grains are considered [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]] which if one ate "enough to establish a meal" one would say [[HaMotzei]] and [[Birkat HaMazon]]<Ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 26, chapter 3). Halachos of [[Brachos]] (pg 527-8, not 7) quotes Rav Shlomo Zalman saying that breakfast cereals from the 5 grains is tzurat hapat | # Some say that cereals made from the 5 grains are considered [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]] which if one ate "enough to establish a meal" one would say [[HaMotzei]] and [[Birkat HaMazon]]<Ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 26, chapter 3). Halachos of [[Brachos]] (pg 527-8, not 7) quotes Rav Shlomo Zalman saying that breakfast cereals from the 5 grains is tzurat hapat | ||
[http://www.thehalacha.com/attach/Volume4/Issue2.pdf Halachically Speaking] quotes Vezot HaBracha (192 or 219) quoting Rav Shlomo Zalman and Rav Elyashiv that cheerios is tzurat hapat and Rav Chaim Pinchas Sheinburg disagrees. </ref>, others, however, hold that cereal is not made with the look of bread and remains [[mezonot]] even if one ate "enough to establish a meal".<Ref>[https://oukosher.org/faqs/what-about-breakfast-cereals-must-they-be-pat-yisrael/ An article from the OU] quotes Rav Schachter and Rav Belsky as saying the Cheerios does not have tzurat hapat because of its small size and the way it is dried (original article can't be found online and what is linked is a shortened version). Rav Schachter (YUTorah Brachot Shiur | [http://www.thehalacha.com/attach/Volume4/Issue2.pdf Halachically Speaking] quotes Vezot HaBracha (192 or 219) quoting Rav Shlomo Zalman and Rav Elyashiv that cheerios is tzurat hapat and Rav Chaim Pinchas Sheinburg disagrees. </ref>, others, however, hold that cereal is not made with the look of bread and remains [[mezonot]] even if one ate "enough to establish a meal".<Ref>[https://oukosher.org/faqs/what-about-breakfast-cereals-must-they-be-pat-yisrael/ An article from the OU] quotes Rav Schachter and Rav Belsky as saying the Cheerios does not have tzurat hapat because of its small size and the way it is dried (original article can't be found online and what is linked is a shortened version). [http://www.yutorah.org/sidebar/lecture.cfm/894641/rabbi-hershel-schachter/berachos-70-37b-what-s-chayav-in-challah-donuts-cakes-bagels-cookies-tam-tams-and-more/ Rav Schachter (YUTorah Brachot Shiur 70 min 45)] explained his opinion. | ||
[http://www.cckollel.org/parsha_encounters/5770/Vayikra_70.pdf Rav Shlomo Miller], [http://www.crcweb.org/kosher_articles/pas_yisroel_during_aseres.php Rav Gedalia Shwartz], and [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/788653/Rabbi_Mordechai_I_Willig/Yoreh_De'ah_Shiur_06_Bishul_Akum Rabbi Mordechai Willig in a shiur on yutorah.org (min 59)] agree that Cheerios do not have tzurat hapat.</ref> | [http://www.cckollel.org/parsha_encounters/5770/Vayikra_70.pdf Rav Shlomo Miller], [http://www.crcweb.org/kosher_articles/pas_yisroel_during_aseres.php Rav Gedalia Shwartz], and [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/788653/Rabbi_Mordechai_I_Willig/Yoreh_De'ah_Shiur_06_Bishul_Akum Rabbi Mordechai Willig in a shiur on yutorah.org (min 59)] agree that Cheerios do not have tzurat hapat.</ref> | ||
