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# According to Ashkenazim if one makes a meal out of Pas HaBah BeKisnin one should wash with a bracha (of Al [[Netilat Yadayim]]) and make HaMotzei. However, Sephardim hold that one should wash without a bracha but one would have what to rely on to wash with a bracha. <ref>Mishna Brurah 158:8, Yalkut Yosef (Kitzur S”A 168:8) </ref> | # According to Ashkenazim if one makes a meal out of Pas HaBah BeKisnin one should wash with a bracha (of Al [[Netilat Yadayim]]) and make HaMotzei. However, Sephardim hold that one should wash without a bracha but one would have what to rely on to wash with a bracha. <ref>Mishna Brurah 158:8, Yalkut Yosef (Kitzur S”A 168:8) </ref> | ||
====Changing one's mind==== | ====Changing one's mind==== | ||
'''NOTE''': This is assuming that the shiur keviyut seuda is 8 kezayitim, which is true for sephardim, however, for ashkenazim it's different. | '''NOTE''': This next section is assuming that the shiur keviyut seuda is 8 kezayitim, which is true for sephardim, however, for ashkenazim it's different. | ||
# If one started the meal thinking that one was going to have 8 [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayitim]] and then changed his mind and couldn’t finish all 8 [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayitim]], one may finish eating based on his original HaMotzei and concludes with a Al HaMichya. <ref> Sh”t Igrot Moshe O”C 2:54, Yalkut Yosef (Birkat HaMazon pg 137). </ref> | # If one started the meal thinking that one was going to have 8 [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayitim]] and then changed his mind and couldn’t finish all 8 [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayitim]], one may finish eating based on his original HaMotzei and concludes with a Al HaMichya. <ref> Sh”t Igrot Moshe O”C 2:54, Yalkut Yosef (Birkat HaMazon pg 137). </ref> | ||
# If one made a [[Mezonot]] thinking that one was only going to have a few [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayitim]] and then changed his mind to end up having 8 [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayitim]], if one plans on having another 8 [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayitim]] one should stop and wash with a bracha and make HaMotzei. | # If one made a [[Mezonot]] thinking that one was only going to have a few [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayitim]] and then changed his mind to end up having 8 [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayitim]], if one plans on having another 8 [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayitim]] one should stop and wash with a bracha and make HaMotzei. | ||
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# The following foods are called Pas HaBah BeKisnin and if one eats a Shuir Seuda one must make a HaMotzei: Berakas, Hotdog in pastry, cake, cookies, pretzels, and crackers. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 26, chapter 3) </ref> | # The following foods are called Pas HaBah BeKisnin and if one eats a Shuir Seuda one must make a HaMotzei: Berakas, Hotdog in pastry, cake, cookies, pretzels, and crackers. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 26, chapter 3) </ref> | ||
# The following foods are called Tavshil [[Mezonot]] and even if one eats a Shuir Seuda one makes a [[Mezonot]]: Farina, oatmeal, noodles, rice, soup nuts, farfel, couscous, blintzes, kugel*, and wafers*. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (Chapter 4, pg 26). There he mentions that majority of poskim hold that kugel is Tavshil [[Mezonot]] and similarly concerning wafers there’s some doubt in the poskim even though the primary halacha is that it’s Tavshil [[Mezonot]]. </ref> | # The following foods are called Tavshil [[Mezonot]] and even if one eats a Shuir Seuda one makes a [[Mezonot]]: Farina, oatmeal, noodles, rice, soup nuts, farfel, couscous, blintzes, kugel*, and wafers*. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (Chapter 4, pg 26). There he mentions that majority of poskim hold that kugel is Tavshil [[Mezonot]] and similarly concerning wafers there’s some doubt in the poskim even though the primary halacha is that it’s Tavshil [[Mezonot]]. </ref> | ||
====Cheerios==== | |||
# Some say that cereals made from the 5 grains are considered Pas HaBah Bekisnin which if one ate "enough to establish a meal" one would say HaMotzei and Birkat HaMazon<Ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 26, chapter 3). Halachos of Brachos (pg 527-8, not 7) quotes Rav Shlomo Zalman saying that breakfast cereals from the 5 grains is tzurat hapat | # Some say that cereals made from the 5 grains are considered Pas HaBah Bekisnin which if one ate "enough to establish a meal" one would say HaMotzei and Birkat HaMazon<Ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 26, chapter 3). Halachos of Brachos (pg 527-8, not 7) quotes Rav Shlomo Zalman saying that breakfast cereals from the 5 grains is tzurat hapat | ||
[http://www.thehalacha.com/attach/Volume4/Issue2.pdf Halachically Speaking] quotes Vezot HaBracha (192 or 219) quoting Rav Shlomo Zalman and Rav Elyashiv that cheerios is tzurat hapat and Rav Chaim Pinchas Sheinburg disagrees. </ref>, others, however, hold that cereal is not made with the look of bread and remains mezonot even if one ate "enough to establish a meal".<Ref>[http://www.oukosher.org/index.php/common/article/creating_pas_yisroel/ An article from the OU] quotes Rav Schachter and Rav Belsky as saying the Cheerios does not have tzurat hapat because of its small size and the way it is dried. [http://www.cckollel.org/parsha_encounters/5770/Vayikra_70.pdf Rav Shlomo Miller], [http://www.crcweb.org/kosher_articles/pas_yisroel_during_aseres.php Rav Gedalia Shwartz], and [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/788653/Rabbi_Mordechai_I_Willig/Yoreh_De'ah_Shiur_06_Bishul_Akum Rabbi Mordechai Willig in a shiur on yutorah.org (min 59)] agree that Cheerios do not have tzurat hapat.</ref> | [http://www.thehalacha.com/attach/Volume4/Issue2.pdf Halachically Speaking] quotes Vezot HaBracha (192 or 219) quoting Rav Shlomo Zalman and Rav Elyashiv that cheerios is tzurat hapat and Rav Chaim Pinchas Sheinburg disagrees. </ref>, others, however, hold that cereal is not made with the look of bread and remains mezonot even if one ate "enough to establish a meal".<Ref>[http://www.oukosher.org/index.php/common/article/creating_pas_yisroel/ An article from the OU] quotes Rav Schachter and Rav Belsky as saying the Cheerios does not have tzurat hapat because of its small size and the way it is dried. [http://www.cckollel.org/parsha_encounters/5770/Vayikra_70.pdf Rav Shlomo Miller], [http://www.crcweb.org/kosher_articles/pas_yisroel_during_aseres.php Rav Gedalia Shwartz], and [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/788653/Rabbi_Mordechai_I_Willig/Yoreh_De'ah_Shiur_06_Bishul_Akum Rabbi Mordechai Willig in a shiur on yutorah.org (min 59)] agree that Cheerios do not have tzurat hapat.</ref> | ||
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# What's the bracha on Pizza? [[#Pizza]] | # What's the bracha on Pizza? [[#Pizza]] | ||
# What is the bracha on sweet challah? [[#Honey Challah]] | # What is the bracha on sweet challah? [[#Honey Challah]] | ||
# Would would say HaMotzei if one mad makes a meal out of Cheerios? [[#Cheerios]] | |||
==Related topics== | ==Related topics== | ||
