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# The following foods are called Pas HaBah BeKisnin and if one eats a Shuir Seuda one must make a HaMotzei: Berakas, Hotdog in pastry, cake, cookies, pretzels, crackers | # The following foods are called Pas HaBah BeKisnin and if one eats a Shuir Seuda one must make a HaMotzei: Berakas, Hotdog in pastry, cake, cookies, pretzels, and crackers. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 26, chapter 3) </ref> | ||
# The following foods are called Tavshil [[Mezonot]] and even if one eats a Shuir Seuda one makes a [[Mezonot]]: Farina, oatmeal, noodles, rice, soup nuts, farfel, couscous, blintzes, kugel*, and wafers*. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (Chapter 4, pg 26). There he mentions that majority of poskim hold that kugel is Tavshil [[Mezonot]] and similarly concerning wafers there’s some doubt in the poskim even though the primary halacha is that it’s Tavshil [[Mezonot]]. </ref> | # The following foods are called Tavshil [[Mezonot]] and even if one eats a Shuir Seuda one makes a [[Mezonot]]: Farina, oatmeal, noodles, rice, soup nuts, farfel, couscous, blintzes, kugel*, and wafers*. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (Chapter 4, pg 26). There he mentions that majority of poskim hold that kugel is Tavshil [[Mezonot]] and similarly concerning wafers there’s some doubt in the poskim even though the primary halacha is that it’s Tavshil [[Mezonot]]. </ref> | ||
# Some say that cereals made from the 5 grains are considered Pas HaBah Bekisnin which if one ate "enough to establish a meal" one would say HaMotzei and Birkat HaMazon<Ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 26, chapter 3). Halachos of Brachos (pg 527-8, not 7) quotes Rav Shlomo Zalman saying that breakfast cereals from the 5 grains is tzurat hapat | |||
[http://www.thehalacha.com/attach/Volume4/Issue2.pdf Halachically Speaking] quotes Vezot HaBracha (192 or 219) quoting Rav Shlomo Zalman and Rav Elyashiv that cheerios is tzurat hapat and Rav Chaim Pinchas Sheinburg disagrees. </ref>, others, however, hold that cereal is not made with the look of bread and remains mezonot even if one ate "enough to establish a meal".<Ref>[http://www.oukosher.org/index.php/common/article/creating_pas_yisroel/ An article from the OU] quotes Rav Schachter and Rav Belsky as saying the Cheerios does not have tzurat hapat because of its small size and the way it is dried. [http://www.cckollel.org/parsha_encounters/5770/Vayikra_70.pdf Rav Shlomo Miller], [http://www.crcweb.org/kosher_articles/pas_yisroel_during_aseres.php Rav Gedalia Shwartz], and [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/788653/Rabbi_Mordechai_I_Willig/Yoreh_De'ah_Shiur_06_Bishul_Akum Rabbi Mordechai Willig in a shiur on yutorah.org (min 59)] agree that Cheerios do not have tzurat hapat.</ref> | |||
====Egg [[Matzah]]==== | ====Egg [[Matzah]]==== | ||
# Egg [[Matzah]] which was kneaded with mostly fruit juice or eggs (as opposed to water) is considered Pas Haba BiKisnin. <ref> Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 501, chapter 27) </ref> | # Egg [[Matzah]] which was kneaded with mostly fruit juice or eggs (as opposed to water) is considered Pas Haba BiKisnin. <ref> Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 501, chapter 27) </ref> | ||
