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# The Ashkenazic minhag is to make HaMotzei on Matzeh all year round <ref>Vezot HaBracha (pg 20), Tzitz Eliezer 11:19. Shevet Halevi 1: in the footnotes to SA 168:8 says one should be machmir and eat as part of a meal. Rav Tzvi Pesach frank Sh"t Har Tzvi OC 91 says on the small matza-like crackers to say mezonot, and only say hamotzi if you are kovea seuda on matza. </ref> whereas the Sephardic minhag is to make Mezonot and Al HaMichya on Matzah all year round except for Pesach when one makes HaMotzei and Birkat HaMazon. <ref> Chazon Ovadia Berachot page 61, Sh"t shemesh umagen OC 1:34. This is in accordance with the definition of the Aruch D”H Kesen, quoted by Bet Yosef 168:8 quoting Rav Hai Gaon that pat haba bikisnin is a hard cracker-like bread, quoted in SA 168:8.</ref> Nonetheless, Sephardic authorities add that (for all year-round besides Pesach) those who want to make HaMotzei on Matzah when eaten as a meal (even without 216 grams) can do so and that a God fearing person would always eat Matzah in a meal with real bread. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (Chapter 3, pg 20), Yalkut Yosef (Kitzur S”A 168:4), Chazon Ovadyah (Brachot pg 61), Chida in Machazik Beracha 158:5. </ref>
# The Ashkenazic minhag is to make HaMotzei on Matzeh all year round <ref>Vezot HaBracha (pg 20), Tzitz Eliezer 11:19. Shevet Halevi 1: in the footnotes to SA 168:8 says one should be machmir and eat as part of a meal. Rav Tzvi [[Pesach]] frank Sh"t Har Tzvi OC 91 says on the small matza-like crackers to say mezonot, and only say hamotzi if you are kovea seuda on matza. </ref> whereas the Sephardic minhag is to make Mezonot and Al HaMichya on Matzah all year round except for [[Pesach]] when one makes HaMotzei and Birkat HaMazon. <ref> Chazon Ovadia Berachot page 61, Sh"t shemesh umagen OC 1:34. This is in accordance with the definition of the Aruch D”H Kesen, quoted by Bet Yosef 168:8 quoting Rav Hai Gaon that pat haba bikisnin is a hard cracker-like bread, quoted in SA 168:8.</ref> Nonetheless, Sephardic authorities add that (for all year-round besides Pesach) those who want to make HaMotzei on Matzah when eaten as a meal (even without 216 grams) can do so and that a God fearing person would always eat Matzah in a meal with real bread. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (Chapter 3, pg 20), Yalkut Yosef (Kitzur S”A 168:4), Chazon Ovadyah (Brachot pg 61), Chida in Machazik Beracha 158:5. </ref>
# On Motzei Pesach before people buy back their chametz, the bracha on Matzah is still HaMotzei. <ref> Chazon Ovadyah (Brachot p 64) </ref>
# On Motzei [[Pesach]] before people buy back their chametz, the bracha on Matzah is still HaMotzei. <ref> Chazon Ovadyah (Brachot p 64) </ref>
# If the last day of Pesach falls out on Friday, then the bracha on Matzah for the Shabbat immediately following Pesach is Hamotzei.<ref>Or Letzion (vol 3, p. 100) </ref>
# If the last day of [[Pesach]] falls out on Friday, then the bracha on Matzah for the Shabbat immediately following [[Pesach]] is Hamotzei.<ref>Or Letzion (vol 3, p. 100) </ref>


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