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# According to Ashkenazim if one makes a meal out of Pas HaBah BeKisnin one should wash with a bracha (of Al [[Netilat Yadayim]]) and make HaMotzei. However, Sephardim hold that one should wash without a bracha but one would have what to rely on to wash with a bracha. <ref>Mishna Brurah 158:8, Yalkut Yosef (Kitzur S”A 168:8) </ref> | # According to Ashkenazim if one makes a meal out of Pas HaBah BeKisnin one should wash with a bracha (of Al [[Netilat Yadayim]]) and make HaMotzei. However, Sephardim hold that one should wash without a bracha but one would have what to rely on to wash with a bracha. <ref>Mishna Brurah 158:8, Yalkut Yosef (Kitzur S”A 168:8) </ref> | ||
====Changing one's mind==== | ====Changing one's mind==== | ||
'''NOTE''': This is assuming that the shiur keviyut seuda is 8 kezayitim, which is true for sephardim, however, for ashkenazim it's different. | |||
# If one started the meal thinking that one was going to have 8 [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayitim]] and then changed his mind and couldn’t finish all 8 [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayitim]], one may finish eating based on his original HaMotzei and concludes with a Al HaMichya. <ref> Sh”t Igrot Moshe O”C 2:54, Yalkut Yosef (Birkat HaMazon pg 137). </ref> | # If one started the meal thinking that one was going to have 8 [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayitim]] and then changed his mind and couldn’t finish all 8 [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayitim]], one may finish eating based on his original HaMotzei and concludes with a Al HaMichya. <ref> Sh”t Igrot Moshe O”C 2:54, Yalkut Yosef (Birkat HaMazon pg 137). </ref> | ||
# If one made a Mezonot thinking that one was only going to have a few [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayitim]] and then changed his mind to end up having 8 [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayitim]], if one plans on having another 8 [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayitim]] one should stop and wash with a bracha and make HaMotzei. | # If one made a Mezonot thinking that one was only going to have a few [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayitim]] and then changed his mind to end up having 8 [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayitim]], if one plans on having another 8 [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayitim]] one should stop and wash with a bracha and make HaMotzei. | ||
# If one made Mezonot planning to have a few Kezyitim, and then changes to have another few [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayitim]] and in total all he ate will add up to 8 [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayitim]] one shouldn’t make any new bracha upon changing one’s mind, however, if one started thinking that one would not have more than a certain amount and now clearly changes his mind about that, one should make a new Mezonot. Nonetheless, one concludes with Birkat HaMazon. <ref> Mishan Brurah 168:25 writes that if one changed one’s mind one doesn’t make a new HaMotzei if one doesn’t plan on eating more than 8 [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayitim]]. Mishna Brurah (Shaar Tzion 168:21) writes that one shouldn’t make a new Mezonot unless one clearly changed one’s mind such as if when he started he thought that he will not eat more than a certain amount, however, if one didn’t clearly retract his opinion then one doesn’t make a new Mezonot. </ref> | # If one made Mezonot planning to have a few Kezyitim, and then changes to have another few [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayitim]] and in total all he ate will add up to 8 [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayitim]] one shouldn’t make any new bracha upon changing one’s mind, however, if one started thinking that one would not have more than a certain amount and now clearly changes his mind about that, one should make a new Mezonot. Nonetheless, one concludes with Birkat HaMazon. <ref> Mishan Brurah 168:25 writes that if one changed one’s mind one doesn’t make a new HaMotzei if one doesn’t plan on eating more than 8 [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayitim]]. Mishna Brurah (Shaar Tzion 168:21) writes that one shouldn’t make a new Mezonot unless one clearly changed one’s mind such as if when he started he thought that he will not eat more than a certain amount, however, if one didn’t clearly retract his opinion then one doesn’t make a new Mezonot. </ref> | ||
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====Keviut Seduah on Shabbat==== | ====Keviut Seduah on Shabbat==== | ||
#There’s no difference between [[Shabbat]] and the rest of the week regarding the status of the Pat habah BeKisnin. <ref> Kaf HaChaim 168:48. </ref> | #There’s no difference between [[Shabbat]] and the rest of the week regarding the status of the Pat habah BeKisnin. <ref> Kaf HaChaim 168:48. </ref> | ||
