Pat Haba Bikisnin: Difference between revisions

# According to Sephardim even if Pas Haba BeKisnin is eaten with other foods, the other foods are not taken into consideration when considering the amount of a meal. <ref>Chazon Ovadia [[Berachot]] page 55, Sh”t Shemesh Umagen 2:11:page 29, Kaf HaChaim 168:47 rules against the Magan Avraham 168:13 and says that S”A implies that one must be the amount of a meal from the Pat itself. </ref>  

* Magan Avraham 168:13 writes that if one eats [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]] with other foods then all the food are counted towards the amount of a regular meal. This is quoted as halacha by Mishna Brurah 168:24, Chaye Adam 54:4, Halachos of [[Brachos]] (chap 27, pg 490-1), and Vezot HaBracha (chap 4, pg 32-6).

* The Magan Avraham introduced the idea of having other foods count toward the amount of a meal when eaten with [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]]. There’s four limitation of this idea. (1) Some say that there needs to be a minimum of 4 [[Measurements#Kebaytzah|KeBaytzim]] in order for the other foods to combine. (2) Some say that only food that if normally eaten on bread (such as meat) combine. (3) Some say that only [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]] that is normally used as a bread substitute combines with other foods. (4) Some say that the food only combines when it’s eaten on bread. However, all four limitation are subject to dispute.  

# [[Mezonot]] that fall into the category of filled dough or crumbling hard dough, if that food is meant to be eaten to fill oneself, one should make a [[HaMotzei]] regardless of how much one ate. However, foods that fall into the category of sweet dough, even if it’s meant to be eaten to satisfy hunger, one should make a [[Mezonot]]. <Ref> S”A 168:17 rules that bread filled with meat or fish has the Bracha of [[HaMotzei]]. Magan Avraham 168:44 explains that this Bracha is made even if one doesn’t have a keviyut sueda because regarding sweets that fill the bread such as fruit there’s room to say that such fillers make the bread into a temporary snack, however, a substantial filler such as meat, fish, or cheese don’t make the bread change from [[HaMotzei]] to [[Mezonot]]. This is also the opinion of the Mishna Brurah 168:94 and Yalkut Yosef ([[Brachot]] pg 125, Kitzur S”A 168:3). However, the Taz 168:20 argues that for filled bread the Bracha is [[Mezonot]] like in S”A 168:7 unless there’s a keviyut sueda. [Interestingly, the Ben Ish Chai (Pinchas 20), Kaf HaChaim 168:137, and Halacha Brurah 168:49 are concerned for the opinion of the Taz and hold that one should make sure to have more than a keviyut sueda, however if one doesn’t have enough and one doesn’t have bread, one should make a [[mezonot]].] The VeZot HaBracha (pg 17 note 1) rules like Mishna Brurah that for bread that’s filled and is meant to fill one up the bracha is [[HaMotzei]]. </ref>

* Shulchan Aruch 168:17 rules that bread filled with meat or fish has the Bracha of [[HaMotzei]]. The Magan Avraham 168:44 explains the Bracha is [[HaMotzei]] as a filling of meat, fish, or cheese doesn’t change the Bracha on bread and only if there’s a sweet filler such as fruit is it considered [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]]. However, the Taz 168:20 holds that for filled bread the Bracha is [[Mezonot]] just like if it was filled with sweets unless one eats a keviyut sueda. The Mishna Brurah 168:94 and Beiur Halacha s.v. Pashtida rules a compromise that if it's normal to eat the bread filled with meat to satisfy hunger and fill one up the bracha is [[Hamotzei]], however, if there's pieces of meat mixed in and it's recognizable that it's meant as a dessert the bracha is [[Mezonot]].

* [[Rabbi Ovadyah Yosef]] (Chazon Ovadyah [[Brachot]], pg 60-1, Halichot Olam vol 2 pg 114, and Sh”t Yabia Omer 9:108(84)) rules like the Magan Avraham and that the Bracha on pizza is [[Hamotzei]]. This is also the opinion of Yalkut Yosef ([[Brachot]] pg 125, Kitzur S”A 168:3), Chacham Ben Tzion Abba Shaul in Or Letzion (vol 2, 12:5), Rav Shmuel Pinchasi in Minchat Shmuel 1:11, and Rabbi Moshe HaLevi in Birkat Hashem (vol 2, 2:62). Halacha Brurah 168:49-50 is concerned for the opinion of the Taz, however, he concludes it is [[Hamotzei]], but it's preferable to have it in a meal or have more than a keviyut sueda to satisfy all opinions.</ref> According to Ashkenazim, in [[Israel]] the poskim hold that the bracha is [[Hamotzei]], <ref>  VeZot HaBracha (pg 21) quotes [[Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach]], Rabbi Pinchas Sheinburg, and Rabbi Moshe Shternbach that the Bracha on pizza (which is made from water and flour) is [[HaMotzei]]. </ref> and in America, some say that it depends on one's intent, if one intends to have it as a meal, then the Bracha is [[HaMotzei]] and if one intends to have it as a snack the bracha is [[Mezonot]] <ref>