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==The Bracha of Pas Haba Bekisnin==
==The Bracha of Pas Haba Bekisnin==
# If one eats [[Pas Habah Bekisnin]] as a snack one should make [[Mezonot]] for [[Bracha Rishona]] and [[Al HaMichya]] for [[Bracha Achrona]] and if one eats Pas HaBah BeKisnin as a meal one should make [[HaMotzei]] and [[Birkat HaMazon]]. <ref>S"A 168:8 </ref> The precise definition of a meal for this halacha is discussed in the next section.
# If one eats [[Pas Habah Bekisnin]] as a snack one should make [[Mezonot]] for [[Bracha Rishona]] and [[Al HaMichya]] for [[Bracha Achrona]] and if one eats Pas HaBah BeKisnin as a meal one should make [[HaMotzei]] and [[Birkat HaMazon]]. <ref>Shulchan Aruch 168:8 </ref> The precise definition of a meal for this halacha is discussed in the next section.


==What's considered a meal==
==What's considered a meal==
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==What is Pas Haba Bikisnin?==
==What is Pas Haba Bikisnin?==
The S"A (168:7) rules that there are three definitions of [[Pas Haba Bikisnin]]. <ref>'''What is [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]]?'''
The Shulchan Aruch (168:7) rules that there are three definitions of [[Pas Haba Bikisnin]]. <ref>'''What is [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]]?'''
* Rashi ([[Brachot]] 42b s.v. Pas) explains that [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]] is a cake which was made from a dough that was kneaded with spices. Rabbenu Yonah (29a s.v. Shein) quotes Rabbenu Chananel that it’s a bread with a pocket filled with nuts, honey, or other sweets. Lastly, the Aruch (D”H Kesen, quoted by Bet Yosef 168:8) quotes Rav Hai Goan that it’s a hard cracker-like bread. The S”A 168:8 rules all three opinions.
* Rashi ([[Brachot]] 42b s.v. Pas) explains that [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]] is a cake which was made from a dough that was kneaded with spices. Rabbenu Yonah (29a s.v. Shein) quotes Rabbenu Chananel that it’s a bread with a pocket filled with nuts, honey, or other sweets. Lastly, the Aruch (D”H Kesen, quoted by Bet Yosef 168:8) quotes Rav Hai Goan that it’s a hard cracker-like bread. The S”A 168:8 rules all three opinions.
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===Second category===
===Second category===
# Dough which is filled with sweeteners such as nuts, chocolate, or the like and is cooked together with the dough, and the taste is recognizable, the bracha is [[Mezonot]]. <ref>S"A 168:7, Mishna Brurah 168:33, Vezot HaBracha (pg 19, chapter 3) </ref>
# Dough which is filled with sweeteners such as nuts, chocolate, or the like and is cooked together with the dough, and the taste is recognizable, the bracha is [[Mezonot]]. <ref>Shulchan Aruch 168:7, Mishna Brurah 168:33, Vezot HaBracha (pg 19, chapter 3) </ref>


===Third category===
===Third category===
# If the dough is cooked into a food that's hard and crumbles the bracha is [[Mezonot]]. <ref> S"A 168:7. Vezot HaBracha (pg 19, chapter 3) points out that the Mishna Brurah (168:35) writes that it must be that it's usual to be eaten as a snack. </ref>
# If the dough is cooked into a food that's hard and crumbles the bracha is [[Mezonot]]. <ref> Shulchan Aruch 168:7. Vezot HaBracha (pg 19, chapter 3) points out that the Mishna Brurah (168:35) writes that it must be that it's usual to be eaten as a snack. </ref>


===Cooked Mezonot===
===Cooked Mezonot===
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* How are wraps and tortillas made? From several accounts, it seems clear that wraps and tortillas are made from a thick dough that is rolled out and cooked in a frying pan without oil or with a minimal amount. The wheat flour is always the primary ingredient and there is also water or a substitute, such as milk. To prove this point, see [http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Your-Own-Tortillas a Wikihow article], [http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Flour-Tortillas another Wikihow article], or [http://www.cooking-mexican-recipes.com/flour_tortilla_recipe.html a video on cooking-mexican-recipes].  
* How are wraps and tortillas made? From several accounts, it seems clear that wraps and tortillas are made from a thick dough that is rolled out and cooked in a frying pan without oil or with a minimal amount. The wheat flour is always the primary ingredient and there is also water or a substitute, such as milk. To prove this point, see [http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Your-Own-Tortillas a Wikihow article], [http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Flour-Tortillas another Wikihow article], or [http://www.cooking-mexican-recipes.com/flour_tortilla_recipe.html a video on cooking-mexican-recipes].  
* In terms of the bracha, a few factors should be considered. 1) The ingredients other than flour and water and 2) The thinness of the wrap or tortilla.  
* In terms of the bracha, a few factors should be considered. 1) The ingredients other than flour and water and 2) The thinness of the wrap or tortilla.  
* In terms of the other ingredients, the issue to consider is whether the wrap becomes Pat Haba Bikisnin because of those ingredients. According to Sephardim, following S"A 168:7, if the flavor of the milk, oil, or the like can be tasted and makes it taste significantly different from bread, the bracha would be [[mezonot]]. According to Ashkenazim, following Mishna Brurah 168:33, only if there was a majority of ingredients in comparison to the amount of water would the bracha be [[mezonot]]. For more on this issue, see above.  
* In terms of the other ingredients, the issue to consider is whether the wrap becomes Pat Haba Bikisnin because of those ingredients. According to Sephardim, following Shulchan Aruch 168:7, if the flavor of the milk, oil, or the like can be tasted and makes it taste significantly different from bread, the bracha would be [[mezonot]]. According to Ashkenazim, following Mishna Brurah 168:33, only if there was a majority of ingredients in comparison to the amount of water would the bracha be [[mezonot]]. For more on this issue, see above.  
* '''Baking vs Frying''': S"A 186:13 writes that thick dough which was cooked or fried is [[mezonot]], but some disagree and hold that it is [[Hamotzei]]. Rama 168:14 comments that if one fries bread in a pan without any oil or with just enough oil to prevent it from burning, it is considered like baking and the bracha would be [[Hamotzei]]. Accordingly, wraps and tortillas are considered as though they are baked.
* '''Baking vs Frying''': Shulchan Aruch 186:13 writes that thick dough which was cooked or fried is [[mezonot]], but some disagree and hold that it is [[Hamotzei]]. Rama 168:14 comments that if one fries bread in a pan without any oil or with just enough oil to prevent it from burning, it is considered like baking and the bracha would be [[Hamotzei]]. Accordingly, wraps and tortillas are considered as though they are baked.
* '''Crackers''': S"A 168:7 quotes the opinion of Rav Hai Goan that flatbread that is hard, dry, and cracks is [[mezonot]]. This is simply not applicable to wraps or tortilla.  
* '''Crackers''': Shulchan Aruch 168:7 quotes the opinion of Rav Hai Goan that flatbread that is hard, dry, and cracks is [[mezonot]]. This is simply not applicable to wraps or tortilla.  
* '''Thin Form''': In the other extreme, S"A 186:8, explained by the Mishna Brurah 186:36, writes that regular soft bread made from dough is [[HaMotzei]] even if it is made into a thin form. For example, pita is [[Hamotzei]] even though the shape is thin (Vezot Habracha p. 395).
* '''Thin Form''': In the other extreme, Shulchan Aruch 186:8, explained by the Mishna Brurah 186:36, writes that regular soft bread made from dough is [[HaMotzei]] even if it is made into a thin form. For example, pita is [[Hamotzei]] even though the shape is thin (Vezot Habracha p. 395).
* The next section we address the thinness of the batter.
* The next section we address the thinness of the batter.
* '''Thin Batter vs Liquid Batter''': The Rama 168:14 writes that bread which was made from thin batter, which was baked in the oven, is [[Hamotzei]]. On the other hand, S"A 168:8 writes that bread (lachmaniyot) made with a thin batter is [[mezonot]]. The Magen Avraham 168:20 answers that Shulchan Aruch only meant that it is [[mezonot]] if the batter is very thin. For example, the Bach 186:8, Magen Avraham 186:20, and Mishna Brurah 186:37 write that blintze dough is [[mezonot]] because it is made with very thin batter. To clarify, Mishna Brurah 168:37 explains that very thin batter is something that pours and is a similar consistency to porridge.  
* '''Thin Batter vs Liquid Batter''': The Rama 168:14 writes that bread which was made from thin batter, which was baked in the oven, is [[Hamotzei]]. On the other hand, Shulchan Aruch 168:8 writes that bread (lachmaniyot) made with a thin batter is [[mezonot]]. The Magen Avraham 168:20 answers that Shulchan Aruch only meant that it is [[mezonot]] if the batter is very thin. For example, the Bach 186:8, Magen Avraham 186:20, and Mishna Brurah 186:37 write that blintze dough is [[mezonot]] because it is made with very thin batter. To clarify, Mishna Brurah 168:37 explains that very thin batter is something that pours and is a similar consistency to porridge.  
* '''Difference of Shape''': S"A 186:15 writes that batter that is poured into a pan, shaped like a bowl, over the fire would have the bracha of [[mezonot]] but would be [[Hamotzei]] if one were to eat it as a meal (Koveh [[Seudah]]). If the batter is poured over an inverted pan, shaped like a bowl, over the fire, the bracha would be [[mezonot]] even if one were to eat it as a meal. The Magen Avraham 168:40 explains that both of these cases are speaking about very thin batter, otherwise they would be [[Hamotzei]]. See the Beiur Halacha 168:15 s.v. Kemach who challenges the Magen Avraham.
* '''Difference of Shape''': Shulchan Aruch 186:15 writes that batter that is poured into a pan, shaped like a bowl, over the fire would have the bracha of [[mezonot]] but would be [[Hamotzei]] if one were to eat it as a meal (Koveh [[Seudah]]). If the batter is poured over an inverted pan, shaped like a bowl, over the fire, the bracha would be [[mezonot]] even if one were to eat it as a meal. The Magen Avraham 168:40 explains that both of these cases are speaking about very thin batter, otherwise they would be [[Hamotzei]]. See the Beiur Halacha 168:15 s.v. Kemach who challenges the Magen Avraham.
* '''Semi-Thick Liquid Batter vs Extremely Thin Batter''': Breads made from a very thin batter are [[mezonot]], however, if one eats it as a meal (Koveh Seduah) the bracha becomes [[HaMotzei]] (S"A 168:8). Yet, if the batter is extremely thin, thinner than that of blintzes (a semi-thick liquid), when poured out it spreads out quickly and forms a very flimsy dough, then the Bach 186:8 writes that the bracha is [[mezonot]] even if one eats it as a meal. For example, he says that wafers have such a consistency. This is quoted by the Magen Avraham 186:40 and Mishna Brurah 186:38.  
* '''Semi-Thick Liquid Batter vs Extremely Thin Batter''': Breads made from a very thin batter are [[mezonot]], however, if one eats it as a meal (Koveh Seduah) the bracha becomes [[HaMotzei]] (Shulchan Aruch 168:8). Yet, if the batter is extremely thin, thinner than that of blintzes (a semi-thick liquid), when poured out it spreads out quickly and forms a very flimsy dough, then the Bach 186:8 writes that the bracha is [[mezonot]] even if one eats it as a meal. For example, he says that wafers have such a consistency. This is quoted by the Magen Avraham 186:40 and Mishna Brurah 186:38.  
* '''Conclusion''': If wraps and tortillas are made with a thick dough it seems that the bracha should be [[Hamotzei]] even if it has a thin shape. [http://www.ykr.org.il/modules/Ask/answer/8705 An article on ykr.org.il] quotes Or Torah (Iss. 552, 5773 Tamuz 118:17) as saying that wheat tortilla is [[Hamotzei]]. Similarly, [http://www.kipa.co.il/ask/show/232461-%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%9B%D7%94-%D7%A2%D7%9C-%D7%98%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%98%D7%99%D7%94 Kipa.co.il] writes that the bracha on wraps is [[Hamotzei]] (repeated [http://www.kipa.co.il/ask/show/256620-%D7%98%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%98%D7%99%D7%94 here] as well). The same can be found on [http://www.toraland.org.il/%D7%A9%D7%90%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%95%D7%AA%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%91%D7%95%D7%AA/%D7%90%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%A0%D7%94-%D7%95%D7%94%D7%9C%D7%9B%D7%94/%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%9B%D7%95%D7%AA/%D7%98%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%98%D7%99%D7%95%D7%AA.aspx toraland.org.il]. The [http://oukosher.org/guide-to-blessings/ OU Guide to Brachos] writes that wraps are [[Hamotzei]] when eaten together with the filling but otherwise are [[mezonot]]. See there for the reasoning. </ref>
* '''Conclusion''': If wraps and tortillas are made with a thick dough it seems that the bracha should be [[Hamotzei]] even if it has a thin shape. [http://www.ykr.org.il/modules/Ask/answer/8705 An article on ykr.org.il] quotes Or Torah (Iss. 552, 5773 Tamuz 118:17) as saying that wheat tortilla is [[Hamotzei]]. Similarly, [http://www.kipa.co.il/ask/show/232461-%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%9B%D7%94-%D7%A2%D7%9C-%D7%98%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%98%D7%99%D7%94 Kipa.co.il] writes that the bracha on wraps is [[Hamotzei]] (repeated [http://www.kipa.co.il/ask/show/256620-%D7%98%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%98%D7%99%D7%94 here] as well). The same can be found on [http://www.toraland.org.il/%D7%A9%D7%90%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%95%D7%AA%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%91%D7%95%D7%AA/%D7%90%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%A0%D7%94-%D7%95%D7%94%D7%9C%D7%9B%D7%94/%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%9B%D7%95%D7%AA/%D7%98%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%98%D7%99%D7%95%D7%AA.aspx toraland.org.il]. The [http://oukosher.org/guide-to-blessings/ OU Guide to Brachos] writes that wraps are [[Hamotzei]] when eaten together with the filling but otherwise are [[mezonot]]. See there for the reasoning. </ref>


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====Melba Toast====
====Melba Toast====
# Melba toast is a type of cracker made from toasted bread. Many say that the correct Bracha is [[Mezonot]], while some say that the Bracha is [[HaMotzei]]. <ref>
# Melba toast is a type of cracker made from toasted bread. Many say that the correct Bracha is [[Mezonot]], while some say that the Bracha is [[HaMotzei]]. <ref>
* S"A 168:7 rules that when one eats Pas HaBa BeKisnin as a snack the [[Bracha Rishona]] is [[Mezonot]] and [[Bracha Achrona]] is [[Al HaMichya]], however, if one makes a meal out of it the bracha is [[HaMotzei]] and [[Birkat HaMazon]]. S"A 168:8 gives three definitions of Pas Haba BeKisnin and the last one is a hard dry baked goods.  
* Shulchan Aruch 168:7 rules that when one eats Pas HaBa BeKisnin as a snack the [[Bracha Rishona]] is [[Mezonot]] and [[Bracha Achrona]] is [[Al HaMichya]], however, if one makes a meal out of it the bracha is [[HaMotzei]] and [[Birkat HaMazon]]. Shulchan Aruch 168:8 gives three definitions of Pas Haba BeKisnin and the last one is a hard dry baked goods.  
* [There is a dispute about how to explain why dry bread should be [[Mezonot]]. Some say that the reason is that since it is made as a snack and not as a meal food the bracha is [[Mezonot]] (Bet David quoted by Sedei Chemed "[[Brachot]]" 1:10). Others say that because it is very hard it's unlike regular bread and so the bracha is [[Mezonot]] (Aruch HaShulchan 168:21).  
* [There is a dispute about how to explain why dry bread should be [[Mezonot]]. Some say that the reason is that since it is made as a snack and not as a meal food the bracha is [[Mezonot]] (Bet David quoted by Sedei Chemed "[[Brachot]]" 1:10). Others say that because it is very hard it's unlike regular bread and so the bracha is [[Mezonot]] (Aruch HaShulchan 168:21).  
* Vezot HaBracha (Birur Halacha 39, pg 306-8) explains that there are two applications to this dispute. (1) According to the first explanation it’s not essential that the bread be very hard, however, according to the other explanation the bread must be very dry and hard. (2) According to the first explanation if one intended to make bread in order to make toast as a snack the Bracha should be [[Mezonot]], however, according to the other explanation once it was baked it is considered bread and it shouldn’t loose the status of bread because it’s toasted. Nonetheless, the Vezot HaBracha writes that it’s very possible that even the second explanation could agree because one’s whole intent was to make it into toast and it’s not very different than just having left the dough in the oven longer instead of removing it when it became bread. ]
* Vezot HaBracha (Birur Halacha 39, pg 306-8) explains that there are two applications to this dispute. (1) According to the first explanation it’s not essential that the bread be very hard, however, according to the other explanation the bread must be very dry and hard. (2) According to the first explanation if one intended to make bread in order to make toast as a snack the Bracha should be [[Mezonot]], however, according to the other explanation once it was baked it is considered bread and it shouldn’t loose the status of bread because it’s toasted. Nonetheless, the Vezot HaBracha writes that it’s very possible that even the second explanation could agree because one’s whole intent was to make it into toast and it’s not very different than just having left the dough in the oven longer instead of removing it when it became bread. ]
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====Honey Challah====
====Honey Challah====
# According to Ashkenazim, sweet [[challah]] is [[Hamotzei]] if there is a majority of water in comparison to the fruit juice, oil, sugar, etc. <ref>Vezot HaBracha (chap 3, pg 18) based on Mishna Brurah's 168:33 explanation of the Rama 168:7. </ref>However, Sephardim hold that sweet [[challah]] is [[Mezonot]] if one can taste the sweetness of the fruit juice, oil, sugar, etc. in the [[challah]]. <ref>Kaf HaChaim 168:58, Or Letzion (vol 2, 12:4), Chazon Ovadyah ([[Brachot]] pg 55) based on S"A 168:7 rule that sweet [[challah]] is [[mezonot]] if one can taste the sweetness in the [[challah]]. Birkat Hashem (Rav Moshe HaLevi vol 2, 2:40) agrees that sweet [[challah]] is [[Mezonot]] but argues that the amount of a regular meal isn't 6 or 8 Kezaytim but rather a little more than 2 Kezaytim and so if one eats more than 2 Kezaytim of sweet [[challah]] one should make [[HaMotzei]]. However, if it's made with a minority of water or no water then he agrees that the amount of a regular meal is 170cc (6 Kezaytim). </ref> Some Sephardic authorities say that even though the minhag is to make [[Mezonot]], a pious person would make sure that if he is going to have sweet [[challah]], it should be a part of a meal with real bread. <ref>Or Letzion (vol 2, 12:4 in the footnote) writes that even though the minhag is to make [[mezonot]] on sweet [[challah]] a pious person would make sure to have it in a meal in order to satisfy all opinions because the sweet [[challah]] is usually eaten as a meal. However, Vezot HaBracha (chap 3, pg 18) quotes Rav Mordechai Eliyahu who says that one does not need to be strict. [Chazon Ovadyah ([[Brachot]] pg 55) also makes not mention of being strict in this matter. However, Kaf HaChaim 168:58 quotes the Emek Bracha and Shlah who say that a pious person would be strict in all cases that there is a strong taste of the sweetness in the dough.] </ref>
# According to Ashkenazim, sweet [[challah]] is [[Hamotzei]] if there is a majority of water in comparison to the fruit juice, oil, sugar, etc. <ref>Vezot HaBracha (chap 3, pg 18) based on Mishna Brurah's 168:33 explanation of the Rama 168:7. </ref>However, Sephardim hold that sweet [[challah]] is [[Mezonot]] if one can taste the sweetness of the fruit juice, oil, sugar, etc. in the [[challah]]. <ref>Kaf HaChaim 168:58, Or Letzion (vol 2, 12:4), Chazon Ovadyah ([[Brachot]] pg 55) based on Shulchan Aruch 168:7 rule that sweet [[challah]] is [[mezonot]] if one can taste the sweetness in the [[challah]]. Birkat Hashem (Rav Moshe HaLevi vol 2, 2:40) agrees that sweet [[challah]] is [[Mezonot]] but argues that the amount of a regular meal isn't 6 or 8 Kezaytim but rather a little more than 2 Kezaytim and so if one eats more than 2 Kezaytim of sweet [[challah]] one should make [[HaMotzei]]. However, if it's made with a minority of water or no water then he agrees that the amount of a regular meal is 170cc (6 Kezaytim). </ref> Some Sephardic authorities say that even though the minhag is to make [[Mezonot]], a pious person would make sure that if he is going to have sweet [[challah]], it should be a part of a meal with real bread. <ref>Or Letzion (vol 2, 12:4 in the footnote) writes that even though the minhag is to make [[mezonot]] on sweet [[challah]] a pious person would make sure to have it in a meal in order to satisfy all opinions because the sweet [[challah]] is usually eaten as a meal. However, Vezot HaBracha (chap 3, pg 18) quotes Rav Mordechai Eliyahu who says that one does not need to be strict. [Chazon Ovadyah ([[Brachot]] pg 55) also makes not mention of being strict in this matter. However, Kaf HaChaim 168:58 quotes the Emek Bracha and Shlah who say that a pious person would be strict in all cases that there is a strong taste of the sweetness in the dough.] </ref>
# If a Sephardi is eating at an Ashkenazic family who is having sweet [[challah]] for [[Hamotzei]] on [[Shabbat]], ideally, one should eat 8 [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayitim]] of the [[challah]] in order to be able to make [[HaMotzei]] and [[Birkat HaMazon]]. Some authorities say that if that's difficult one should have 6 [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayitim]], and if that's difficult there is what to rely on to make a [[HaMotzei]] and [[Birkat HaMazon]] even if one only eats 1 [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayit]] of the sweet [[Challah]]. <ref> Vezot HaBracha (Chapter 4, pg 39) in name of Rav Mordechai Eliyahu and Rav Elyashiv paskening for Sephardim ruled that, ideally, one should eat 8 [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayitim]] of the [[challah]] in order to be able to make [[HaMotzei]] and [[Birkat HaMazon]], however, if that’s difficult one should have 6 Kezaytim and if that’s difficult there’s what to rely on to make a [[HaMotzei]] and [[Birkat HaMazon]] even if one only eats one [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayit]] of the sweet [[Challah]]. Vezot HaBracha also quotes this from Rav Shlomo Levi in Kuntres Birkat HaPat pg 43. The reasons given for this ruling is first of all this definition of [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]] is only one of three (S”A 168:7) and perhaps according to the other opinions it’s real bread. Also according to the Rama’s 168:7 explanation of this definition the Bracha would be [[HaMotzei]]. Lastly, according to the Bet Yosef since this sweet [[challah]] is used regularly for a meal the Bracha would be [[HaMotzei]]. Additionally, Birkat Hashem (Rav Moshe HaLevi vol 2, 2:40) holds that one should make [[HaMotzei]] on Sweet [[challah]] if one eats a little more than 2 Kezaytim unless it is made with a majority of sweeteners. </ref>However, some authorities argue that a Sephardi guest at an Ashkenazi family who is having sweet [[challah]] should make sure to take with him real bread that isn’t sweet in order to make [[HaMotzei]] and fulfill the mitzvah of Seudat [[Shabbat]]. <ref>However, Chazon Ovadyah ([[Brachot]] pg 55-60) rejects the arguments to be lenient as he holds that all of them are against Shulchan Aruch. Therefore, he rules that a Sephardic guest at an Ashkenazic home that is making [[HaMotzei]] on sweet [[challah]] should make sure to take with him regular [[challah]] in order to make [[Hamotzei]] and fulfill the mitzvah of Seudat [[Shabbat]]. Sh”t Avnei Yishfeh 3:16 (pg 34) quotes Chacham Ben Tzion Abba Shaul who said that a Sephardi who is a guest at an Ashkenazic home should make [[Mezonot]]. </ref>
# If a Sephardi is eating at an Ashkenazic family who is having sweet [[challah]] for [[Hamotzei]] on [[Shabbat]], ideally, one should eat 8 [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayitim]] of the [[challah]] in order to be able to make [[HaMotzei]] and [[Birkat HaMazon]]. Some authorities say that if that's difficult one should have 6 [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayitim]], and if that's difficult there is what to rely on to make a [[HaMotzei]] and [[Birkat HaMazon]] even if one only eats 1 [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayit]] of the sweet [[Challah]]. <ref> Vezot HaBracha (Chapter 4, pg 39) in name of Rav Mordechai Eliyahu and Rav Elyashiv paskening for Sephardim ruled that, ideally, one should eat 8 [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayitim]] of the [[challah]] in order to be able to make [[HaMotzei]] and [[Birkat HaMazon]], however, if that’s difficult one should have 6 Kezaytim and if that’s difficult there’s what to rely on to make a [[HaMotzei]] and [[Birkat HaMazon]] even if one only eats one [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayit]] of the sweet [[Challah]]. Vezot HaBracha also quotes this from Rav Shlomo Levi in Kuntres Birkat HaPat pg 43. The reasons given for this ruling is first of all this definition of [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]] is only one of three (S”A 168:7) and perhaps according to the other opinions it’s real bread. Also according to the Rama’s 168:7 explanation of this definition the Bracha would be [[HaMotzei]]. Lastly, according to the Bet Yosef since this sweet [[challah]] is used regularly for a meal the Bracha would be [[HaMotzei]]. Additionally, Birkat Hashem (Rav Moshe HaLevi vol 2, 2:40) holds that one should make [[HaMotzei]] on Sweet [[challah]] if one eats a little more than 2 Kezaytim unless it is made with a majority of sweeteners. </ref>However, some authorities argue that a Sephardi guest at an Ashkenazi family who is having sweet [[challah]] should make sure to take with him real bread that isn’t sweet in order to make [[HaMotzei]] and fulfill the mitzvah of Seudat [[Shabbat]]. <ref>However, Chazon Ovadyah ([[Brachot]] pg 55-60) rejects the arguments to be lenient as he holds that all of them are against Shulchan Aruch. Therefore, he rules that a Sephardic guest at an Ashkenazic home that is making [[HaMotzei]] on sweet [[challah]] should make sure to take with him regular [[challah]] in order to make [[Hamotzei]] and fulfill the mitzvah of Seudat [[Shabbat]]. Sh”t Avnei Yishfeh 3:16 (pg 34) quotes Chacham Ben Tzion Abba Shaul who said that a Sephardi who is a guest at an Ashkenazic home should make [[Mezonot]]. </ref>


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